For as smart as many of the people on this site are, I'm shocked how many don't understand the fundamental principal that YouTube is a private company and can do whatever they please with speech. This isn't the government, this isn't first amendment.
YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
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#772I was opposed to removing Confederate statues. I felt they should be left in place but the plaques should be replaced to merely mention their birth and death dates and that they had committed treason against the United States but were forgiven after the Civil War.
I would suggest the same for these videos. Place an non-editable and non-removable preface that states none of the assertions in this video are verifiably factual and the video should be considered as a work of fiction...
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#773Unpopular opinion: it is much better to have a leader hated by the media and who's every move is scrutinized by the press than to have a leader cowtowed by the press and given a free pass on anything. How do I know? I'm from Russia. Authoritatism begins with tight control of news sources.
YouTube !== Government Your comparison is off.
My understanding of GP point is that majority of social media companies is negative to Trump and positive to Biden. The difference with Russia is that media is controlled by government, but the original point is that it is healthier when media scrutinises government
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#775As someone who is multilingual and often watches political commentary about US issues by non-US creators, for non-US audiences, in non-English languages—I wonder if this new policy will extend to material that is not primarily for US audiences.
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#776If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…
This would indeed be excellent. Unfortunately, "surrender to authority and do as you are told" is the main lesson of modern schooling, as they're mostly concerned about controlling (as in keep them physically close and supervised and presumably safe) as many students as possible with a limited budget and staff.
No, that's not what is taught, even subliminally. One might expect a more cowed populace were that true. Rather, public education in the US needs a deep overhaul, and a renewed discussion of what we collectively believe necessary to know and understand, and how best to accomplish that.
The public are not stupid. They have been tragically under-served by US public schools. Need to fix this.
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#777> We also disallow content alleging widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of a historical U.S. Presidential election. How can any honest person accept this state of affairs? What would be the reaction of the gleefully censorious US big tech employees, many here on HN, if non-US social media giant enacted such measures in their locality? I don't see evidence that the 2020 election stolen from the Republican c…
>I don't see evidence that the 2020 election stolen from the Republican candidate, but this is a huge red flag that something might be going on.
The US tech giants have done all they can to back the Democrat party in the last 4 years and now they're seeing through their final act. You can't make all your moves at once, that would play the hand, but little by little chip away at it and slowly boil the frog.
Whether it's evidence of something being amiss, or a red flag that there's substance to the conspiracies, matters not to me. This whole ordeal has proven that the US* and its tech masters are no better than their Chinese counterparts when it comes to propaganda and censorship.
Whether they go the next step further and try to "re-educate" their opponents, as some have pondered on social media, is something we'll soon see play out in the new year.
Conspiracy or not, stolen election or not, the thirst and exercise of information (and disinformation) control is very, very real.
*I have no doubt that the effectiveness of this tech weaponry will be studied and emulated throughout the Western world in the coming years.
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#778https://www.engadget.com/youtube-election-misinformation-dem... So, i'm kind of curious how it's reasonable a political party can ask for partisan censorship. >YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received a letter on Tuesday from four Democratic senators expressing “deep concern” over the spread of election misinformation on Google’s video platform. In the letter, senators Robert Menendez of New Jersey, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii…
This is roughly the equivalent of the yelling "fire" in a crowded theater problem. A lot of these videos are saying things that cannot reasonably be classified as anything other than misinformation. For example, they typically refer to things like mail-in voting as "fraud" to begin with. They also make up vague but scary claims about large numbers of illegal immigrants having voted, etc. All of this has a chilling ef…
That "fire" problem is not actually a problem. It's amazing how something that's straight-up wrong has persisted in popular culture for so long:
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...
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#779I was opposed to removing Confederate statues. I felt they should be left in place but the plaques should be replaced to merely mention their birth and death dates and that they had committed treason against the United States but were forgiven after the Civil War. I would suggest the same for these videos. Place an non-editable and non-removable preface that states none of the assertions in this video are verifiably…
Wildly different comparison you're trying to make there my friend. Statues on public land very different than a private business doing whatever it wants.
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#780Silicon valley is lost. They're all-in on chinese style censorship, and the DNC is cheering them on.