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Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by Karunamon » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:43 AM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #719

nobody9999 wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How does this constitute hacking? IIUC, the idea is that the whole thing was a setup from start to finish: 1. Burisma emails were hacked; 2. Hunter Biden's iCloud account was hacked; 3. They bought a Mac, dumped a bunch of the hacked photos, along with some real hacked emails and some forged ones; 4. Sent someone over to the computer shop with the frame up on the laptop already in place; 5. Either the store owner wa…

If that were true, we would already be hearing denials about those emails. The fact that we haven't, indicates to me that they are instead going to tack on the "official Biden schedule shows he didn't meet with this guy" line because the emails are legit.

They already said precisely that.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by Karunamon » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:44 AM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #198

rayiner wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is hacked emails, doesn’t that prove the article is credible?

I'd say the article is self-consistent, but not necessarily credible. I don't think "hack" means literal network intrusion. If the article's own description of the provenance of the information is taken at face value, cloning a hard drive at a repair shop without authorization still qualifies as "hacked", and in violation of Twitter terms.

The "authorization" is provided by the owner of the laptop, which is legally the owner of the shop, since whoever dropped the machine off signed a contract indicating as much.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by brandmeyer » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:46 AM UTC

velox_io wrote: post #693

What I find most shocking about this, was that they banned the Press Secretary to the White House's Twitter account - That's the part I cannot get my head around.

You can't get your head around which part? The idea that the White House Press Secretary would tweet ban-worthy remarks? Or the part where Twitter banned the account?

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by fiblye » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:47 AM UTC

joeloya wrote: post #282

The Galileo Principle. If you and everybody else is trying to silence something. You probably are on the wrong side of history.

Most of the time, information shutdowns like this are targeted at antivax, flat earth, and holocaust denial claims.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by Karunamon » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:48 AM UTC

whatever1 wrote: post #743

kyle_martin1 wrote: post #700

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This wasn't hacked. It was legally obtained as it was left and became business property after repeated attempts of returning the machine. Jack's response came much after the censorship actions were taken. You have to analyze with timelime. his PR firm told him he needed to do damage control. Moreover why was this policy not applied to Trump's alleged tax return? This is one of many examples one could give. You may be…

Having my data in your hard drive does not mean that it allows you to view my my data, unless I specifically I allowed you to do so.

It does, however, mean exactly that if you sign a contract saying "all this stuff belongs to me if you don't pay me and leave it here for 90 days". Most places, from computer shops to car shops, have similar rules regarding abandonment and/or nonpayment.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by shitgoose » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:50 AM UTC

Twitter and FB did a HUGE favor to Republicans and personally to Trump. Hadn't they blocked the story, would we see 1159 comments here? Instead of "oh, not that again!.." story, that would have died two days later, we have fireworks that will last until election and will have significant impact. Many of who were mildly leaning towards Biden will reconsider.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by drew-y » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:50 AM UTC

ffggvv wrote: post #124

i remember during the BLM Riots, we had stories going around that jacob blake was just "breaking up a fight" between two women. when it turns out he had just finished robbing someone he'd previously sexually assaulted with her kids in the house. and twitter let it trend i remember they had a video of gunshot sounds trending with a description saying that an innocent 16 year old girl was shot by police when in reality…

> BLM Riots

This is a harmful characterization of an important movement. No protests on that scale are going to go without a hitch. That shouldn't minimize their importance.

> Researchers at the US Crisis Monitor analyzed over 10,600 nationwide protests between May 24 (the day before George Floyd was killed by police) and Aug. 22, and found that nearly 95 percent were peaceful [1]

Jacob Blake was shot seven times in the back children while his children watched. He was unarmed. Even if the alleged sexual assault charges are found to be true, this is not how justice should be carried out.

Also. He is charged with sexual assault and trespassing. I can't find any source that he's been charged with robbery. These are serious charges. But it should be up to the courts to determine his guilt. Not the police or the court of public opinion.

1. https://mashable.com/article/black-lives-matter-protests-pea...

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:51 AM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #185

Why is everyone ignoring @jack's official explanation for why Twitter blocked the specific link from being shared? This is the one falsifiable action Twitter clearly took. Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information - and this material was hacked and had unredacted personal email addresses. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments again…

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Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by brandmeyer » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:53 AM UTC

naiveprogrammer wrote: post #87

vinhboy wrote: post #13

In the first post about this, people were like, how come they didn't do this to the Democrats in 2016.. Uhhh because they were not taking ANY aggressive actions in 2016 against anyone, that's why we are here. They are trying to correct a wrong. I applaud them for trying. Also it's unfair to say they are doing this for political favoritism. Democratic politicians are the loudest ones calling for their breakup, ie. Ber…

Instead of blaming fake news and misinformation for the 2016 elections outcome, maybe the Democrats should look themselves in the mirror. I have yet to see a clear decisive causation link between the Russian interference (e.g. bot farms) and the outcome of the election. Of course there was interference, nobody denies it. But show me that these trolls swayed the election. There is none.

> Instead of blaming fake news and misinformation for the 2016 elections outcome, maybe the Democrats should look themselves in the mirror.

Uh, that's not what left-leaning people are blaming the election results on. That's what right-leaning people claim left-leaning people blamed it on.

Left-leaning people blame the election result on racism, sexism, xenophobia, and intolerance. Donald J. "Grab 'em by the pussy" / "look at my large hands" / "birther in chief" / "interrupting cow" Trump is the direct result of the hatred that has been pouring out of talk radio and Fox News for the last several decades.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by NeverFade » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:57 AM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #185

Why is everyone ignoring @jack's official explanation for why Twitter blocked the specific link from being shared? This is the one falsifiable action Twitter clearly took. Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information - and this material was hacked and had unredacted personal email addresses. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments again…

There's no evidence that any actual hacking took place to obtain the Biden emails. The article stated that they were obtained from a laptop negligently left at a repair shop.

Twitter just decided to claim that the post is lying, with no evidence and no fact-checking, and then banned the Post Twitter account and every other account that shared the article. At the same time, they allow content like the Panama Papers, Pentagon Papers, multiple Wikleaks, Snowden leaks - which were all obtained by admitted unauthorized hacking.