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Countries could jam the signal or find you easily since you would also have to transmit data to the satellite.

laser uplink.

Arms race against state-level actors is not a good position to be in.

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>You clearly didn't. I did. I wrote at length about it in the previous thread, and provided links to the language of the articles as well as the elements that were ignored. You need to read ALL of the language to understand how the proportionality requirement impacts the scope delimitation requirement you're listing. If you don't do that, you end up with a broken understanding of how the gears fit together. The legis…

Sure buddy, whatever you say.

...good.....comeback?

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As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

> But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" A friendly reminder that this was said about TCP/IP. It does not apply to the application layer (WWW), neither in theory nor in practice.

TCP/IP is literally the internet, it's in the name. Nobody said WWW.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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How are satellites different from the radio mesh networks they already mentioned? They're not, regardless of medium, the same cops and IP lawyers can get on it and track down people to arrest and sue according to whatever laws are on the books, good or bad.

They're not, regardless of medium, the same cops and IP lawyers can get on it and track down people to arrest and sue according to whatever laws are on the books, good or bad. What if this satellite Internet service is a multinational corporation, with the directly owning entities based in Russia and China? Or perhaps Sweden? Part of a conglomerate under the ultimate control of a corporation on Mars? I think we'll de…

I think one piece of context that your missing is that the people targeted by this law aren't the people running the wires, it's the people running the servers behind the wires.

Today, if people in Russia or China run the servers there isn't much the EU can do (see: scihub and the US, for a long time piratebay too). You don't need a massive indestructible satellite constellation for that.

I'd also add that a billionaire isn't the criteria you're looking for here even if it was a policy targeting the people running the wire. It's a foreign government with sufficient military power to deter the US from arresting you, and sufficient technological power to set up such a network. Maybe it's a Russian Billionaire who launches them in your hypothetical, but it's the Russian government who provides the security that allows him to do that.

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They're not, regardless of medium, the same cops and IP lawyers can get on it and track down people to arrest and sue according to whatever laws are on the books, good or bad. What if this satellite Internet service is a multinational corporation, with the directly owning entities based in Russia and China? Or perhaps Sweden? Part of a conglomerate under the ultimate control of a corporation on Mars? I think we'll de…

I think one piece of context that your missing is that the people targeted by this law aren't the people running the wires, it's the people running the servers behind the wires. Today, if people in Russia or China run the servers there isn't much the EU can do (see: scihub and the US, for a long time piratebay too). You don't need a massive indestructible satellite constellation for that. I'd also add that a billiona…

I think one piece of context that your missing is that the people targeted by this law aren't the people running the wires, it's the people running the servers behind the wires.

I was imagining containerized server clusters in low earth orbit as well, with the ability to rapidly export the entire state of servers across super high bandwidth laser links. Everything would be done remotely, and the corporations running them would also be in Russia, China, Mars, etc.

(Containerized in the sense of hardware in a shipping container, not Docker, though that would play a role as well.)

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That's actually already been proposed in Germany. The parliamentary state secretary of the interior ministry just last month said: "People who use the darknet usually are up to no good. This simple realization should be reflected in our legal system." and "I understand why the darknet can be useful in autocratic systems. But in a free and open democracy, in my opinion, there is no legitimate use."

The irony is quite delicious.

Really? Tastes bitter and a tad coppery to me.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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When reading comments like this it feels like: there's no ambitious startup in Europe to become one of the large companies. Because now a startup has less than 3 years to add this content filtering, which provided as a service or not, is going to cost €€€. Do you think Spotify would be able to grow if it was created on March 27 2019 instead of 2008? A successful Content filtering as a service (compliance.ly & co. In…

What? Spotify has no uploading features, all their content comes from licenseholders.

I could publish someone else's music as my own, on Spotify.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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laser uplink.

Arms race against state-level actors is not a good position to be in.

Right, but not unwinnable. George Soros vs. Bank of England comes to mind as an example, but you can have other options, if, say, you have a technological edge (easier for you to "attack" with data than for them to "defend") and a sympathetic population. Doublespeak could be popular under less than free regimes.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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You have to host somewhere!!! Ever gotten an abuse email from the data center holding your physical hardware? I have. My tiny forum that has 50 participants max actually has a filter to prevent anyone from using the word "Elton".

> You have to host somewhere!!! Ever gotten an abuse email from the data center holding your physical hardware? No This law does nothing to change that in any case. Get a (US law) DMCA takedown, and ignore it, job done.

No, this law changes nothing. But also hosting your own changes nothing. You can ignore a DMCA takedown but maybe your host won't. And from my experience, hosts don't care that much -- they'd rather toss you than deal with legal issues.
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