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Why I’m done with Chrome

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Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by pixelrevision »

Kpourdeilami wrote: post #720
JohnBooty wrote: post #715

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I hear about "FF performance issues on Mac" and I just don't get it. I believe all of the people who report this, but it's not something I experience. Here's my usage pattern: - 50+ hours in a browser each week - Regular use of both FF and Chrome with very occasional use of Safari (I'm a developer of web apps) - FF has been my primary browser for 15 years or so - Used on a variety of Macs (2006, 2008, 2011, 2013, and…

Firefox on OS X (Macbook Pro 2017 and 2015): - uses 100% CPU even when idle - frame rate drops to 2-3 per second for 5-10 seconds when switching tabs - causes other programs to not work properly because it is using too much CPU I have tried uninstalling the browser and re-installing OS X but it didn't solve those issues. I read somewhere it is a bug that pops up when you have display resolution scaling on and I think…

Entirely anecdotal but I have noticed huge issues with Firefox when I hook my laptop up to a 4k display. My normal display is 1080p and no issues on the same machine.

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Post by justtopost »

lagadu wrote: post #768
partiallypro wrote: post #764

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"Gun Control" was not what was searched for, it is not up to Google to tip the scales on what ideological conclusion is seen, only what item is searched for with relevant results. They have a moral obligation to be neutral. If you were in Saudi Arabia, searched for "women's rights" and Google switched it to an article on "obedience to your husband," I'm sure you'd have a huge problem with that.

Yes it was. The concept of gun rights cannot exist without the concept of gun control, it's quite literally the same theme. Gun control is what defines which gun rights people have.

To pretend that rights vs control are not highly loaded terms seems purposely ignorant. There are clearly a few ways of approaching the issue, and defaulting to one is undoubtedly going to annoy those of any other interpretation.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by wardrobe »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #10

Firefox is a truly fantastic browser now. I've been using it again for about 2 years and haven't regretted it at all. There have been a couple of weird feature hiccups but generally Mozilla seems to get things right.

Biggest drawback to me after trying Firefox are the lack of simple profiles, as in Chrome, which let me separate work from personal from school when browsing, and the fact that all web development is done for Chrome. So many sites don't work correctly in Firefox that I eventually had to give up on it and move back.

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Post by atypicaluser »

tumetab1 wrote: post #717
Covzire wrote: post #481

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"Well" "trained", indeed.

I think you, and others, seem to ignore that deep learning bots produce what the data contains. The data maybe be skewed in one direction or another, as in, it may be the case that most content is for gun control and most users seek gun control content. The philosophical question is if a search engine return what people want or should return return what is most biased for truth and informative.

> I think you, and others, seem to ignore that deep learning bots produce what the data [and the rules it uses] contains.

The bot uses data, sure, but like the humans it also--

* Chooses what data it uses based on... * The rules that make up its processing which in turn are... * Influenced by the peculiarities of its creator(s).

Those last two can't be emphasized enough. A subject matter expert, for example, will choose data differently from a layman, who will choose data differently from someone completely ignorant on the subject. Someone driven to keep certain data suppressed will choose data differently from someone driven to research the matter, who in turn will choose data differently than someone wholly disinterested in the topic. Unless a person builds a bot with a 'willingness' to question both its data and its own programming (and perhaps even its creator) to present the best linkage the web has to offer, all bots will be mere dummy proxies of the creator programming it.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by sli »

partiallypro wrote: post #248

Google started going down the path I would describe as an "evil" path years ago. I'm glad people are starting to notice. I used to be a huge Google advocate, up until about 2008. So many things have changed since then. Adsense was the first breach in trust for me, when they banned my account for no reason and ruined any chance of every monetizing my content...since they are basically a monopoly in that area. Getting…

> Adsense was the first breach in trust for me, when they banned my account for no reason and ruined any chance of every monetizing my content...since they are basically a monopoly in that area. Getting off their blacklist, is literally impossible.

Same thing happened to me shortly after Adsense started up. They banned my account when I was 17/18 for clicking on my own ads, which I'd never done because I knew you'd get banned for it. I'm now 32, so in two years my Adsense account will have been banned for literally half my life.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by justtopost »

tumetab1 wrote: post #717
Covzire wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Well" "trained", indeed.

I think you, and others, seem to ignore that deep learning bots produce what the data contains. The data maybe be skewed in one direction or another, as in, it may be the case that most content is for gun control and most users seek gun control content. The philosophical question is if a search engine return what people want or should return return what is most biased for truth and informative.

As of you could decide either... even optimsing in good faith for either outcome could have serious drawbacks as we may be seeing here.

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Post by unethical_ban »

lagadu wrote: post #768
partiallypro wrote: post #764

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Gun Control" was not what was searched for, it is not up to Google to tip the scales on what ideological conclusion is seen, only what item is searched for with relevant results. They have a moral obligation to be neutral. If you were in Saudi Arabia, searched for "women's rights" and Google switched it to an article on "obedience to your husband," I'm sure you'd have a huge problem with that.

Yes it was. The concept of gun rights cannot exist without the concept of gun control, it's quite literally the same theme. Gun control is what defines which gun rights people have.

Search "Free speech" and get "Censorship" would be your stance, then.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by waterhouse »

zdkl wrote: post #640
randomsearch wrote: post #561

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“Don’t forget not to be evil” I don’t believe the founders have had personality transplant, so why has google become evil?

It's not evil it's shareholder... value... optimisation ! I blame corporate on that one.

Don't the founders have a majority of the voting stock? Do they have a legal obligation to "maximize shareholder value" for the other shareholders?

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by octosphere »

Why are people so loyal to one browser? Where is it written that one has to be married to a specific browser and shun all others? A common thread I hear is that certain browsers are slow and don't feel fast (which is something you can partially fix by adding additional RAM to your machine and running the browser on an SSD). OP shuns Chrome but forgets there is more competition than previous years where the main three contenders were IE, Firefox and Chrome. Now we have Brave, Vivaldi, Qups, Iridium browser, Ungoogled-chromium[1], Tor Browser Bundle, Waterfox, Palemoon, Comodo Dragon, and a few other flavors of Chrome exist out there but are very buggy and unsecure and not updated often. Personally I run several browsers and isolate my sessions with them - so one for Facebook, one for Twitter, another for shopping, etc (Just to make sure there is no cross-talk between the various services I use).

[1] https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

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