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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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>I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X Specifically? People typically point to the telemetry and forced updates, but I've managed to disable both, using what were admittedly much-too-difficult procedures or third-party software. It's annoying, but not that annoying. I really like Finder and Spotlight, but not enough to be tied, via licensing, to any specific hardware. Less cluttering--I can uninstall apps…

I think you touched on a big win for macOS in my book: > Specifically? People typically point to the telemetry and forced updates, but I've managed to disable both, using what were admittedly much-too-difficult procedures or third-party software. It's annoying, but not that annoying. Before I switched to macOS about 8 years ago I was used to the mindset of "oh this doesn't work the way I want but I'm smart enough to…

Although Apple have been known to change things for change-sake, I find it is possible to take a Mac running Mac OS 10.2 and 10.12 and you will find your way around with ease.

Of course, under the hood they've rewritten everything like DNS and actually using the hosts file etc. but from a usability perspective you are right that you end up fighting with the OS less (so I have found).

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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>I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X Specifically? People typically point to the telemetry and forced updates, but I've managed to disable both, using what were admittedly much-too-difficult procedures or third-party software. It's annoying, but not that annoying. I really like Finder and Spotlight, but not enough to be tied, via licensing, to any specific hardware. Less cluttering--I can uninstall apps…

Specifically: * HiDPI support in all apps, whethere they are aware of it or not. * Built-in PDF editing and creation from all printable content. * POSIX scripting and CLI. * Very clean and consistent configuration system (defaults). Reset an app to factory? Delete one plist file and potentially an app support folder. Got a new Mac? You could even boot it up from the old harddisk. Good luck doing that with windows reg…

You forget: Windows has NTFS which is still lightyears ahead of Apple's upcoming APFS, let alone HFS+ (how on earth is it still in use??)

And I say this as Mac user.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

> They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). How can plaintext configs be confusing for a competent software engineer? On Linux, you can make your OS work for you just the way you like it. Good luck changing anything significant in Apple's walled garden

You can edit plist files that litter the ~/Library directory???

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

I love Mac OS but it gets regular updates and which each update, it's more demanding. The hardware needs to keep up. Try running IOS 7 on a Gen 3 iPhone.

Still running a 2012 non-retina MacBook Pro. I shoved 16GB RAM in as soon as I bought it (it officially only supports 8GB).

But it was a real dog with a hard disk. Shoved in a 1TB SSD and all is good (and that's a SATA3 not NVME). Should continue working for another 5 years no problem.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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The price differential doesn't really concern me. I've tried using different laptops, I always come back to Apple. I wouldn't call it insanely overpriced, it's just higher priced than everything else if you just went by specs. Being that the quality is superior, I do not begrudge them their profits. It would be a sad day if Apple ever stopped making hardware.

> I wouldn't call it insanely overpriced Are you kidding? I would. I did. Just now. > Being that the quality is superior Exactly how? Honest question.

How? Just about everything is better. The biggest difference between Apple laptops and everybody else's is the trackpad. Nobody else makes one like Apple. You don't know what a pleasure it is to not have to think about the trackpad while I'm working. That alone lifts the build quality of Apple laptops to a level above ordinary Windows laptops.

The keyboards are excellent, better than the norm. I consider ThinkPad keyboards to be outstanding, slightly superior to Apple. But Apple keyboards are still way better than the average laptop, the second best laptop keyboard. I haven't used the latest Lenovo ThinkPads and I've read that their laptops have degraded over the years. So maybe Apple's now is the best. All I know is that it does it's job without any fuss and that's very important to me. The backlighting could get dimmer in low-light conditions but I understand that Apple fixed that in the newest model.

Moving on, the batteries are outstanding. Apple manages to get everything right. Charging works well, though the chargers themselves are sub-par, due to Apple's ill-considered decision to not use strain relief, I never have to worry about whether I'm charging my laptop too much or not enough, Apple builds all those decisions into the circuitry of the charging system. It's one more thing, like the trackpad, that I don't have to worry about when I use Apple that I always miss when I start using other kinds of laptops.

There's the screen. I'm sure there are similar-quality screens out there, but Apple's is outstanding. With Flux, I can use it in lighting conditions ranging from very dark all the way to just shy of direct sunlight on a bright day.

There's the solidity of the aluminum construction. I wouldn't exactly say I'm careless with my laptops, but I don't use a case and I bring them to the bar. If I close the lid, it's practically impervious to spills. I've relied on this more than once. I've spilled liquid on it with the lid open, all that needed to be replaced was the keyboard and trackpad, the mainboard wasn't damaged.

Finally there's Apple's support ecosystem. I've never not left the Apple Store satisfied. Their reps are helpful and knowledgable in a way that you really miss when you stray outside the ecosystem. One time I didn't want to wait for Apple after I spilled water on it on a Sunday, so I took it to a Micro Center that was listed on Apple's website. The difference in professionalism was night and day. Micro Center made me fill out paper forms and mis-transcribed my phone number, so I didn't get any notifications.

Literally everything about Apple's laptops is a cut above in terms of quality, and some things, like the trackpad and support, are spectacularly so. Other companies can get close to Apple on a few things, but only Apple can consistently do everything right. You're always going to be missing something if you go elsewhere. Apple hardware looks overpriced compared to a run-of-the-mill machine, but when you look at the high end of the laptop market, prices all look very similar. When you're actually comparing apples to Apples, (see what I did there?) the prices for similar quality laptops, like say the ThinkPad X1 Carbon, Apple comes out at only slightly more expensive. I consider the premium very much worth it. I can see how a more price-sensitive customer could find it very expensive, but to me that's like comparing Toyotas and Hondas to Mercedes and BMWs.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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To license macOS means to support infinite hardware variations, and to rely on OEMs not to suck. Kind of. Apple had to approve any clone designs. It wasn't as willy-nilly as the PC market. At the time Apple allowed cloning, Apple itself had a large number of varying models to support. Apple's big problem was that the clones were faster and cheaper. For example, the Umax C500 was available up to 240 Mhz while the Powe…

The Daystar Genesis MP generated a lot of "holy cow" moments. Plus, we are in a different world these days. Intel hardware, due to Intel's keeping the bus proprietary and getting rid of the chipset makers, is a lot more generic than back in the day. NeXT and a lot of open source projects today have a list of hardware you can use. The list for today is a lot shorter. I think a lot of companies would thrive on making g…

I don't know if anyone ever tried it but the Daystar Genesis MP running BeOS would have been phenomenal in its day.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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> But Apple not having an open package management ecosystem It's not from Apple but Mac OS has Macports and Brew for this just like Windows has Chocolatey Unity makes the Linux desktop usable now, but I still wouldn't call it slick. Even if it leaned more on KDE instead of Gnome it still doesn't feel right compared to either Mac OS or Windows. Going on a tangent, I still wish Apple would release a screenless iMac. No…

Homebrew is nice, but source based packages suck, especially on underpowered Apple hardware..

Not sure why you still feel that Apple needs "an open package ecosystem" when you're already happy with homebrew. Apple computers have a lot of problems, but that isn't one of them

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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> Window management in OSX is horrible. What is so horrible about it ? I have the exact same reaction every time I have to use Microsoft Windows. Window management is one of the strongpoints of MacOS. > A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts. I've never encountered this problem on both AFP and SMB shares.

command-tabbing between apps instead of windows is just wrong imo. You constantly have to keep in mind if the window you're switching to is part of the same app or a different app.

Hyperswitch (https://bahoom.com/hyperswitch) fixes that perfectly.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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This is idiocy. Freecell was originally sold as part of a games pack for Windows, and Candy Crush Saga is a highly-rated game that's otherwise available from the Windows Store. Thousands of people have downloaded it. The Good Times video in Windows 95 also sold Edie a lot of CDs, but it would be equally stupid to criticize that. In both cases, Microsoft is providing something entertaining that demonstrates some benef…

No, I think King is paying Microsoft a hefty price to advertise to you directly in your start menu.

Evidence?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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This is idiocy. Freecell was originally sold as part of a games pack for Windows, and Candy Crush Saga is a highly-rated game that's otherwise available from the Windows Store. Thousands of people have downloaded it. The Good Times video in Windows 95 also sold Edie a lot of CDs, but it would be equally stupid to criticize that. In both cases, Microsoft is providing something entertaining that demonstrates some benef…

I don't give a shit if it's highly rated. The Chainsmokers are also highly rated and completely critically empty as well, just like Candy Crush. To compare the two is lunacy, it's the difference between Windows Media Player coming with Bach sample music versus Nickelback. Thousands of people downloading something is no excuse for advertising it and forcing it down the throats of probably millions more paying customer…

You're insane if you think it's an advertisement. If you can't see that, I don't think I can help you do so.
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