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Time to Take a Stand

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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I voted for Trump, and am very happy with the ban- I don't see the benefit of bringing in Muslim refugees.

I have a couple coworkers from Iran. Would you be willing to look them in the face and explain to them how they're banned re-entry into the country?

Sure.

"Muslim immigrants as a group consume more in societal resources than they contribute in taxes or skilled labor."

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I have questions about a few of your comments, if you don't mind indulging me: 1. Who is speaking for ethnic cleansing and genocide? Can you provide citations? I hear a lot of people talking out against illegal immigration, since it drives down wages and makes it harder for poor Americans to compete and make a living. I also hear politicking regarding banning muslims from entering the U.S., due to the fear of terrori…

Glad to! 1. Here are some examples of people calling for ethnic cleansing/genocide or similarly oppressive policies. If you're basically liberal then these articles will be pretty offensive: http://www.amerika.org/politics/the-peat-party/ http://www.amerika.org/politics/why-we-need-three-castes/ http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/07/sexual-liberation-and-racial-suicide/ I don't want to get sidetracked into quantita…

1. Thanks for the citations, but who the hell are F. Roger Devlin and Brett Stevens, and why should anybody care? Their blogs seem to be on the fringe, and not something one would see in day-to-day politics. I'm not saying you don't have a point. Our society certainly has a few of these weird eggs, but there brand of "thinking" is generally viewed as abject ignorance by mainstream society, isn't it?

2. How would your policy of physical violence be any different, or less self-superior, than the kind of violence you believe this type of talk incites? I'm not trying to be snarky. It's just that enforcing a prescribed way of thinking via violence tends to have a lot of ill side effects that people don't take into consideration before heading down that slippery slope.

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I feel like the only thing that he campaigned on was hurting black/brown people and repealing the ACA. Everything else, every other policy topic was met with "I have the best people" or "I will have the best advisors." He constantly, falsely, repeated how bad black people have it in inner cities. How we can't go anywhere without the fear of being shot and killed by other black people. He touted the need for a nation-…

>How we can't go anywhere without the fear of being shot and killed by other black people. I'm not from the US but this really looks awful. I wouldn't set foot on this city even if you paid me a million dollars. http://crime.chicagotribune.com/

I know many people who live in that city, very happily and safely. The comment is ignorant and it's important we don't, in our ignorance, connect skin color with other personal characteristics; it leads to very bad outcomes that hurt many people.

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Amusing how Silicon Valley leadership is now bleeding their hearts out when legal immigrants from some countries are discriminated against. This same crowd had stood by silently when many of their workers - legal immigrants from India and China - had been discriminated against for many years in the name of per-country-green-card-quotas.

How is "we chose to discriminate against Muslim majority countries" any different from "we chose to discriminate against populous countries"? Both look arbitrary to me.

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Yes, there's problems in Chicago. But the violence is heavily concentrated in the South and West side. I live in a nicer part of Chicago and I've never felt like I was in any danger where I live. Even walking home by myself at 2 AM. Every city has bad and good areas. Chicago is no different.

Cities in the US seem particularly polarized. Where I grew up there were neighborhoods with better off and worse off people but there wasn't any part of town where you would feel uncomfortable or at risk of violence walking at any time, day or night. I visited Chicago in the early 90's and I remember being told never to go past a certain stop on the train. The US has serious social problems going back a long time and…

There are bad neighborhoods in Paris and Rio; how does Chicago stand out?

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Cities in the US seem particularly polarized. Where I grew up there were neighborhoods with better off and worse off people but there wasn't any part of town where you would feel uncomfortable or at risk of violence walking at any time, day or night. I visited Chicago in the early 90's and I remember being told never to go past a certain stop on the train. The US has serious social problems going back a long time and…

There are bad neighborhoods in Paris and Rio; how does Chicago stand out?

Last year, it had more murders than both Los Angeles and New York combined. Both cities are larger than Chicago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chicago-murders-shootings-2016-m...

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> you have to take responsibility for your vote You're not advocating "responsibility". You're saying Trump supporters are morally defective, and when they refuse that label, you say: "see! not only are you morally flawed, but you won't even admit it! proves my point!" Is it hard to understand that Trump supporters vote for what they think is morally just and right, just like you, and not for evil, because they're ev…

Actually, I am advocating responsibility . That's why I used that word when I called out his hand waving with a variety of reasons . Moreover, when you say what they think is morally just and right it's pretty much the same. At a certain point, you have to accept responsibility. Trump is your guy and he is doing your work. I suppose you need to understand that y'all went way over the line with Trump and that we're no…

> I suppose you need to understand that y'all went way over the line with Trump and that we're not going to be nice about it.

Don't include me in that. I'm not even American.

"We're not going to be nice about it" is once again pretty vindictive. Is that a threat?

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I've sen a lot of angst over the last week about people on the left expressing approval for 'punching nazis' following Richard Spencer suffering a whack on the ear during a TV interview. It's true, someone, probably form the left, carried out an act of physical violence while he was just standing there talking. But let's not forget that Spencer and various members of his social circle have - for years now - been expr…

I have questions about a few of your comments, if you don't mind indulging me: 1. Who is speaking for ethnic cleansing and genocide? Can you provide citations? I hear a lot of people talking out against illegal immigration, since it drives down wages and makes it harder for poor Americans to compete and make a living. I also hear politicking regarding banning muslims from entering the U.S., due to the fear of terrori…

This was kind of long but you should read about who Richard Spencer, you repeated where's the "genocide" thing multiple but I don't know why.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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The time to take stand was 3 months ago. Things will get a lot worse now before they can get better and no amount of blogging is going to change that. Trump is hell bent on destroying America from within and his followers (who we are not supposed to criticize) are A-Ok with that. Soon to be seen in a theater near you in Europe as well.

"Trump is hell bent on destroying America from within" No he isn't. Those kind of ridiculous hyperbolic statements don't help anything. You may disagree with Trump's policies and platform. But "intent on destroying America" is a silly charge. And it is equally silly when (as often happens) it is leveled at the left.

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