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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by hablahaha »

madebysquares wrote: post #530

Diversity is a touchy subject. As a black engineer myself I've worked at three companies where I've been the only black technical worker and it's hard some times. I've gone to conferences where I've been maybe 1 of 5 or 6 engineers out of hundreds. i don't do any hiring but I often wonder if there is a lack of qualified black male or female engineers or what but sometimes I do feel isolated.

Also, this is a great perspective from Twitter's only black engineer in a leadership position: https://gimletmedia.com/episode/52-raising-the-bar

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by farkas »

james-skemp wrote: post #675
farkas wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have CEO of Atlassian here. Can you list the features you deem missing? I want to check them against our roadmap, as I don't believe we have many gaps, and a host of things better.

Started moving from TFS over to Bitbucket server (local install for legal reasons). Have thus far created one project and a half dozen repos in it. Using this for work: - Would love to be able to see something on my profile page. I've got hundreds of commits but my user page is completely empty. Maybe this is because our repos are private, but since I'm logged in I would expect to see something. - I love GitHubs pers…

I'll see what we can do on the profile page part. Would be easy to "put something" on the page - harder to put the right thing. Email me if you have thoughts (scott@).

Email should be built in. Raise a support ticket with our amazing support team if any issues with that.

I'll check on README. I thought we had equivalent, but perhaps in a different place. Will have to wait until the team wakes up.

> Maybe it's intentional, but coming from GitHub a local server install of Bitbucket is just so plain

We try to be deliberate about adding features that matter. The Bitbucket server team is one of the best at Atlassian, so hopefully you're saying the lack of "right features" is the issue, not just the extra whitespace.

Thanks for taking time to add feedback. I really appreciate it & helps us make a better product.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by humanrebar »

morgante wrote: post #653
reitanqild wrote: post #478

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I haven't bookmarked those threads but I'm certain I saw a lot of comments here saying things along the lines of "the right to free speak only protects you against the government", strongly implying that what happened to him was fair game because it wasn't the government who staged it.

> "the right to free speak only protects you against the government" I strongly agree with that statement, but I also strongly object to the ouster of Eich. An opinion on one does not imply an opinion on the other. I support the right of the KKK to march through the streets, but that doesn't mean I should have to hire one of their members.

> I support the right of the KKK to march through the streets, but that doesn't mean I should have to hire one of their members.

That's not the analogy. It's contrived, but to stick with the theme of white racists, is it ethical (legality aside) for a board full of clansmen to fire a CEO that donated to the ADL? To keep it simple, let's say the CEO is not Jewish, but does financially support the ADL.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by farkas »

djKianoosh wrote: post #652
farkas wrote: post #508

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> Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have CEO of Atlassian here. Can you list the features you deem missing? I want to check them against our roadmap, as I don't believe we have many gaps, and a host of things better.

Ohhhh, how could I forget? Please use the same markdown syntax across ALL your products.

That bugs me also. We're working on it, but will take a while I'm afraid. One of those "death by a thousand cuts" issues, but really difficult to fix & migrate millions of users.

No excuse, but wanted to set expectations.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by taneq »

archagon wrote: post #612
droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists . There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussi…

> Most of my friends are feminists.

> There's practically no hostility

There are many people who identify as feminists who are fair, rational, and genuinely want equal opportunities for all.

There are many other people who identify as feminists who are militantly against anything but total female domination.

The word is used by so many different groups with different ideologies in different contexts that it's become meaningless.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by green7ea »

rotw wrote: post #481
audessuscest wrote: post #446

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Looks like they trade "structure based purely on meritocracy" by "promote diversity". I don't see how this can go well. Meritocracy is important among dev and open source. And they don't care about political diversity. I can only imagine this new "culture of fear" where you can't hire white people (even woman). Skills and experiences should be the only way to choose who you hire, not race or gender. Anyway, looks lik…

The entire point of diversity initiatives is that the meritocracy in theory doest not translate into a meritocracy in practice, due to unconscious bias: https://library.gv.com/unconscious-bias-at-work-22e698e9b2d#... as well as other factors. You're totally right that skills and experiences should be the only way to choose, but right now, tech firms in this society are fundamentally incapable of actually implementing…

This sentence seems like an oxymoron to me:

>> True meritocracy can only come through promoting diversity.

If you are taking diversity into account, you are taking things other than merit into account and so it isn't a 'true' meritocracy. Not only that but it also suffers from the no true Scotsman fallacy.

The best way to promote meritocracy is to base your decisions on merit and nothing else. To avoid unconscious bias, you would have to hire someone without knowing their age, sex, sexual orientation or anything else that you could consider discriminatory. That would mean hiring someone that you haven't and that's a little extreme.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by farkas »

joedevops wrote: post #561
farkas wrote: post #508

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> Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have CEO of Atlassian here. Can you list the features you deem missing? I want to check them against our roadmap, as I don't believe we have many gaps, and a host of things better.

While we've got your attention, the number one feature I'd like to see is installation and configuration that meshes well with devops tools.like Chef, Puppet or Ansible. Your current installers require multiple phases of installing the files/dbs and then interacting with running apps via a web ui to configure. Could you make it so that you could just lay down files, attach storage and start the service? Also, cluster…

I'll check. There are ways to set them up without using the web UI, but we can probably do a better job of documenting them for the power user. Stay tuned.

For Clustering - any reason you need active/active? We have mirroring[1] which (from our chats with most of our customers) is what people prefer.

[1] - https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucketserver/smart-mirro...

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by CWuestefeld »

humanrebar wrote: post #763
argonaut wrote: post #640

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I don't know why you are so frustrated. It seems misplaced. The system is totally stacked in your favor (and my favor).

> The system is totally stacked in your favor Is it? What about white men who grew up as orphans? Or with parents that had severe mental illness? What about white men with emotional disorders? What about white male cancer survivors? Or white male single parents? What about white men who grew up as historically disadvantaged minorities in their home countries? Why is it OK to assume the system is stacked in someone's…

I think this is one of the core questions that those playing identity politics games completely ignore. The very nature of their own efforts is, itself, something-ism. As you illustrate, they're categorizing a whole group, and assuming that every member of it fits its stereotypical mold.

So in one respect, sure, as a white male I had some advantages, but there are plenty of other ways to look at it. As a "nerd" I was bullied; I suffer from an incurable disease; I'm not a particularly attractive person; I'm notably uncoordinated and bad at sports. And on the other hand, I've got a fairly sharp mind, and have some talents and a supportive network around me. A lot of these things apply to other people in and out of my demographic cohort, to such a degree of ... let's say "diversity" ... that it makes no sense to focus on those demographics when thinking about who has privileges or disadvantages.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by OJFord »

argonaut wrote: post #640
droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

I don't know why you are so frustrated. It seems misplaced. The system is totally stacked in your favor (and my favor).

Not if shit like this continues. Positive discrimination by definition stacks against the incumbent privileged.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by captain_jamira »

said wrote: post #626
captain_jamira wrote: post #421

Holy bejeebus, people are defensive as all getup about this. WTF, people?!? Do people think that the quote, "...it is very hard to even interview people who are 'white'..." is about the difficulty this person finds in sitting in a room across from a white person, chatting with him? I understood it to be a perception on this person's part that the efforts to increase diversity have created a condition where such a sig…

> Holy bejeebus, people are defensive as all getup about this. WTF, people?!? It should be very easy to understand why people are upset about this. > Do people think that the quote, "...it is very hard to even interview people who are 'white'..." is about the difficulty this person finds in sitting in a room across from a white person, chatting with him? I understood it to be a perception on this person's part that t…

great story bro. I get it, you took offense to me taking 'devil's advocate' - look, it was just a figure of speech and I don't want to discriminate against your sensitive sense of fairness, so we'll split it; I'll take the figurative half and you can keep the literal half that you've already claimed.

but seriously, you're use of unattributed quotes is confusing. Is this supposed to be cited material or something you just wish you were citing?

Now I know why Stack Exchange folks are such nazis about formatting.

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