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The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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> children are often married off to old men in the US How often are children married off to old men in the US?

More than zero. How often is it acceptable for a 12 year old girl to be married off to an adult?

> More than zero.

I’m not convinced it is more than zero. Do you know of a single case in the 21st century of a 12‐year‐old marrying an adult in the United States?

After all, you rhetorically mentioned America in the same breath as Afghanistan, where 15% of women were married below the age of 15. (page 11: https://www.unicef.org/afghanistan/media/2711/file/afg-repor...)

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Humans rights change over time and are different in different places. Currently its not a human right to be able to marry an ai personality or a machine but it will be. 100 years ago it wasn't human right to marry same sex. Human rights are not fixed in time. We may see privacy rights becoming a human right soon or not depending on how things play out. Should having a dark sky at night be a human right currently we d…

There's a fundamental disconnect going on here. You're talking about what humans believe are human rights. I'm talking about what human rights are . The right to privacy is a human right, even if no government on the planet actually respects or formally recognizes it. The right to privacy was always a human right, it's just that formal protections of that right have become more necessary as technology and society hav…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

It's an orthogonal concept to human rights btw, there's human rights laws, and treaties, both of which are positive law. Similarly, there's laws proper about almost every non human-rights subject (say investment vehicles), and there's natural law about every other subject (say investment vehicles).

Another concept I would recommend looking into are courts and legal process. Otherwise, I'm not sure what you think happens when your belief of what natural law is, clashes with someone else's vision. The body of procedural law tends much more towards positive law out of necessity, otherwise it would devolve into recursive disagreements as to what the process (and the process for handling process disputes(and the process..)) is, a disregard for natural law and respect for the positive law as a sort of convention arises out of practicality at least in the process, arguably leaking into actual substantive law.

Jurisdiction might be a good next step to tie it into this thread's topic, what happens when there's a dispute as to whose rules and courts should judge a matter? The importance of positive law in this matter is mostly accorded by courts unanimously, and the borders of countries are written in constitution in blood. We tend to err towards not rewriting those as they are 'expensive'.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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The day cannot come soon enough where every online user is tied to a verified person in a government database.

Why? So we can have a government sanctioned credit score of sorts?

No. So we can have confidence that our online discourse is by humans and by humans in our country.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Several of the laws TFA complains about are literally what you just asked for. Like the California and Illinois laws. They are literally that.

No they are not. The Illinois law fails to include any of the exclusions I mentioned. None of them enforce the parental password controls or remote monitoring. Please read my full comment before jumping to respond.

Huh, you want more mandatory mass surveillance?

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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But we went to school 10-80 years ago and even 10 years ago, school was very different back then. Apparently now there's a lot more technology involved, and kids can bring their phones and use their phones all day which is why there's a backlash. When I was at school, phones were mainly used for texting (or calling, but not at school) and if you were (un)lucky enough have one, you had to put it in a locked drawer of…

I had NES and a lot of time after school.

Yes. After school.

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Because just imagine that may be the underlying cause of death is malnutrition, or poor immune system. In this case the body won't be able to fight of any kind of infection. When you vaccinate such a person for X, that person is able to resist X. But since the immune system health is still weak or the person is still malnutrition, they could still succumb to an infection of Y. But that is one less death from X, and o…

> So the point being 1000 deaths from X to 0 deaths from X does not necessary mean X lives saved. Yes, this statement is a non-sequitur. A vaccine preventing death from X does not prevent a death from other causes. That doesn’t mean X isn’t effective.

>That doesn’t mean X isn’t effective.

No one said it. Don't put words in my mouth.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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ok good. Except for the viewing thing. That one is crazy. Most of what you described is just disinformation though and I'm fine with the UK taking a different approach than the US.

> Most of what you described is just disinformation though “We will be a minority in our homeland by 2066” is accurate: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/white-briton... Burning the Koran is not a statement of fact, so it cannot be disinformation. "young white girls are being raped by these grooming gangs" is also accurate (though the precise number is contentious, mostly because the police turned a bli…

Nobody can predict what will happen in 2066 any more than people in 1986 could predict there would be an AI bubble today.

The slogan doesn't even mean anything. Who's "we"?

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Probably the government list. That part is a bad idea. It can be reactive instead, allow anyone to declare their site is child-safe and then punish false declarations.

The problem is that you cannot punish foreign websites, and there definitely will be ones allowing to bypass restrictions.

UK has no problem telling ISPs to block them or else.

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No they don't? Laws can't really make anything "structurally impossible" unless they criminalize a lot more - such as hosting a website without full government review (this is illegal in China). These laws are quite clearly targeted at the harm that is happening today and not at locking down the entire internet. You do have to take enforcement into account when evaluating these laws. Some HNers interpret this as you…

> Laws can't really make anything "structurally impossible" Require age verification. Kids lie and claim they are 18. Require better age verification, implemented at the operating system level so that only the parent's administrator account can override it. Kids install a live Linux operating system on a USB drive and boot it, and now they have full access to the web. Require computers to be cryptographically locked…

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