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Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by Zardoz84 »

fzzzy wrote: post #87
Zardoz84 wrote: post #63

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Could be worse. I see the email from another person that has the exact same email direction that me, except that he doesn't have a "." . I see his private emails and I get double of spam... I use only Gmail as a "register and get a spam" email account. Any serious or important email goes to proton mail. PD: I contacted that person and I formed about the situation some time ago.

There is no other person. You get all email to all of the same address regardless of the number of dots.

Tell it to the guy from south america that I get his emails about airport tickets...

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Post by Henchman21 »

upofadown wrote: post #719

Gmail is one of the shoddiest of the ultra-cheap email providers. If you use Gmail, a significant number of messages will disappear. They don't go to junk, they just disappear. Gmail will reject messages for obscure technical reasons. They recently decided that they would no longer accept messages signed with 1024 bit RSA DKIM. So, with no public announcement they just turned on the restriction. I found out about thi…

They care about reading your emails. At this point that is why gmail exists.

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Post by 40four »

ramon156 wrote: post #619
40four wrote: post #451

Oh man, I left Gmail 6-7 years ago for different reasons (a total overhaul & hardening of my personal privacy/ security posture), but kudos to you! Get away and don’t look back, you won’t regret it! I’d recommend de-googling your life of all their services, you really don’t need them. There are good, more privacy respecting options for just about everything except maps. Google Maps is the one service I still use cons…

I wish it was the same for e.g. SEO. Meta and Google ads are kind of a must. It's the only service I cannot replace. But for everyday humans, Google and Meta are the dark clouds in the sky you can just ignore, you do not need to stand in the rain. No one's making you.

Yeah that makes sense, I didn’t consider advertising

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by 40four »

distances wrote: post #492
40four wrote: post #451

Oh man, I left Gmail 6-7 years ago for different reasons (a total overhaul & hardening of my personal privacy/ security posture), but kudos to you! Get away and don’t look back, you won’t regret it! I’d recommend de-googling your life of all their services, you really don’t need them. There are good, more privacy respecting options for just about everything except maps. Google Maps is the one service I still use cons…

There are very good map alternatives, like Organic Maps and HERE WeGo. But Google's place data is such a good moat that I'm also still using it.

Yeah I don’t use it for navigation, but for exploring your local area, finding restaurants, retail or other businesses it’s hard to ignore unfortunately

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Post by Twirrim »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #327

Looking for your alternative? Let me give you some (non financially motivated) praise for Fastmail. It has everything Gmail has - even app passwords, hide my email, and ios integration. The only criticism is the calendar doesn’t autocomplete addresses so that’s a bit more typing than I would like. But everything you do in Fastmail is instant . They live up to the name! Once you try it and go back, you’ll be shocked -…

I'm not sure if it's still there, but for a long time Gmail offered a lightweight, simple HTML version of their site. Essentially the original UI for it.

It was astounding just how quick it was, which really shows you how little of a damn they seem to give about their users. That's especially weird, given that they dogfood their own products.

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Post by Gormo »

kraquepype wrote: post #37
coldpie wrote: post #20

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I know everyone's tired of hearing this, but this doesn't happen on Linux. I know I know, it's different and a little janky here and there and maybe you have to find a replacement for one or two pieces of software. But like, you don't actually have to put up with this. There is a better way.

I recently built 2 mini PCs for my kids to play games on, and went with Bazzite. It was really surprising how put together it all is. The steam integration is seamless and it can play a ton of stuff even on an older NUC w/out a GPU. It was the first time I can say that installing a linux OS was easier and friendlier than Windows.

> It was the first time I can say that installing a linux OS was easier and friendlier than Windows.

I'd say that from work experience managing an IT department that maintains and deploys both Windows and Linux machines, the administrative overhead involved in working with Windows first exceeded that of Linux at some point in the Windows 10 life cycle -- at least five years ago. Since then, Windows has been getting worse and worse, and Linux has been getting better and better.

With most corporate software being accessible via the web and/or being cross-platform these days, we're seriously debating moving the standard corporate workstation configuration to Linux.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dspillett wrote: post #690
Dylan16807 wrote: post #661

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And those automated algorithms based on feedback need to not cross user accounts in this case. Or be disabled entirely for the domain. I'm not accusing them of making the problem on purpose, I'm accusing them of not fixing it on purpose. The notice may be from a commercial entity but it's court-ordered. It's not spam.

> The notice may be from a commercial entity but it's court-ordered. It's not spam. How is the filtering algorithm expected to know that? Especially if numerous users do mark such messages as spam (or give the more passive signal of completely ignoring it despite paying attention to other messages), or other identification rules say that the messages look like other things that have been thusly marked over time? > th…

> How is the filtering algorithm expected to know that?

It doesn't. The humans working there need to add an override.

> One of the touted advantages of collective mail systems [...]

You cut off the most important qualifier in what I said. "In this case." They should be isolating or flat-out ignoring feedback for specifically epiqnotice.com.

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Post by thisislife2 »

newaccountman2 wrote: post #759
vachina wrote: post #454

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Why are people accessing emails from the webUI. Email is SMTP and IMAP, use any number of clients to access your email.

I never understood why anyone would want to download an application to do something as simple as checking email.

To have a copy of your emails on your device, for backup, and offline use.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by tardedmeme »

why_at wrote: post #151

I can appreciate LLMs for some use cases, but writing emails for the user is the one that really baffles me. It's one thing if you don't speak English well and could use some help making yourself understood, but the amount of native speakers using this is so strange to me. How does this help you? If you can write to the LLM telling it what kind of email to write, you might as well just write the email.

I think it's a case of projection. Megatech CEOs feel that avoiding interactions with peons is the most important thing, so they add this feature assuming that everyone else also wants that.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by thisislife2 »

jorisw wrote: post #609
lloeki wrote: post #522

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As a Fastmail user, every time I have to use Gmail for work I'm aggravated by the absolute stupid UX of it which seems to have been thoroughly ruined around the Material Design era; it also seems to be unable to handle basic operations such as mass mark read or delete, or search. Fastmail handles the same things with aplomb and has much better screen real estate usage, for one. The only thing I kind of want with Fast…

I went with Fastmail just because it's not hosted in the US (they're in Australia)

Unfortunately, I remember reading that Australia now has weak privacy laws:

> The Telecommunications Assistance and Access Bill (TAAB or AssAccess) require technology companies like FastMail, Google, Apple, Cisco to provide Australian law enforcement and security agencies with access to all communications without any judicial oversight, transparency, or reason. The only restrictions offered to protect people’s privacy is the vague terms “reasonable and proportionate.”

Source: https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html

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