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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by bulbar »

ornornor wrote: post #108
bulbar wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happens as well in Germany and it's pure insanity. The US at least does not depend on migration as much as Germany, I believe. Even the current right wing party CDU doesn't seem to want to make migration harder, but when the extremist party AfD gets voted into office, an already highly damaged balance will break. Sad how people become so detected from reality that they make their society irrelevant and destroying a l…

> The US at least does not depend on migration as much as Germany, I believe. To me it feels like the US pretends they don’t need immigrants when: 1. The overwhelming majority of current US residents were immigrants themselves at some point in the last 150 years (only natives were there, everyone else immigrated from somewhere) 2. The US wouldn’t function without illegal immigrants 3. Every country is short of worker…

As far as I know agriculture works similar in Germany in the sense that it relies on cheap labor. Except, I believe it's mostly legal because they come from inside the EU, making it easier to work here. Also giving them the same rights, in theory at least. In practice it often doesn't work out like that, but that can't be easily changed I guess. Can't imagine they actually get German minimum wage. In that case and in that sense, they actually don't work here legally I guess.

From what I remember, most of them don't migrate though but return to their home country after a season. Back to their families and a country with much less living cost.

Was some time ago that I last read about that topic though.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by moomoo11 »

Is America an economic zone for people (who might be highly educated) to just come and make money, or is it a place for them to call home and be American?

I'll be honest as a naturalized citizen, I am shocked at how many people treat America as just a economic zone. They don't really consider this country to be their roots and don't assimilate into the broader culture. And I'm not talking about H1b, I'm talking about the O1s and L1s. They are so entitled and they are usually super well off in whatever country they come from.

It doesn't matter if they're a PhD or whatever, they might contribute via their employer or their own startup on a monetary basis, but I have also dealt with enough people who try to maintain one foot here and another foot wherever they're from.

We moved to the USA because the system of governance here and all the things it stood for were what motivated us to become Americans. It is our home and we have only our American passport.

Most of the so-called "highly educated" immigrant workers I meet have a spouse who won't become a US citizen so they can double dip in their origin country's low cost of living. It is kind of gross.

Just food for thought. I don't really like people who only seek to extract, if that makes sense. Doesn't matter if your TC is 1.2M or you raised 40M.

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Post by wiseowise »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #604
tegiddrone wrote: post #407

My H1B coworker has paid $180k more in taxes than I have. We are the same age. He has fewer years working in USA than I have as a citizen. We calculated this by the data exposed by the mySocialSecurity website. I get to vote and he does not. Edit: s/green card/H1B/

So you want voting status to be determined by how much you pay in taxes? Fascinating, surely that would go well

Well, that’s the main talking point when it comes to immigrants, isn’t it?

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Post by squarefoot »

This swill split entire families, more likely forcing those in the US to follow those who need to leave. Of course this has nothing to do with immigration. They're indeed feeding their racist voters some candy, but the goal is rather to reduce population among the poor to counter the inevitable unrest that is happening soon, when tens millions of families will be left with nothing to put on the table because of recent technological advancements that happened too fast before society could adapt.

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Post by cloche »

esalman wrote: post #280

I received my green card in 2023 and I have mixed emotions. On one hand, I'm so relieved that I have been able to dodge everything that the administration has been throwing at immigrant (legal and illegal alike), trying to see what sticks, like mass deportations, border wall expansion, visa restrictions, asylum crackdown, H-1B cuts, and chain Migration Ban. On the other hand, we cannot apply for citizenship for 3 mor…

I got mine in 2019 and feel the same way. I'm actually in the process of applying for citizenship and my application seems to have stalled - it's been nearly 10 months when the USCIS processing times page says I should expect 7 (it was 5-6 when I applied). There's been some articles that the government is going to force everyone to retake fingerprints again although there's been nothing official about that yet. I really wish I had applied for citizenship as soon as I was eligible.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by ruszki »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #729
qurren wrote: post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the kids must first get visas to their parent's countries The bigger issue honestly is that the kids may already have grown up in the American culture and fluent in English and it could massively disrupt their education and well-being to throw them into another system somewhere else, depending on how they were raised and whether they are fluent in the language of the country of their parents. In many cases they are…

> it could massively disrupt their education and well-being to throw them into another system I'm curious: If these changes aren't designed to be harmful in these ways, then what do we imagine is the intention?

A monthly reminder, that they don't want smart people over there.

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Post by cyberrock »

timr wrote: post #666
varenc wrote: post #443

The internal memo on this is interesting: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/PM-... Essentially they're trying to change the rules by aggressive re-interpretation of the existing legal framework, and not actually changing any laws or regulations. I don't follow all of it, but it seems to be arguing that the "ordinary consular process", leaving the country and applying for a visa from abroad, is…

It’s a shame that I had to scroll past pages of invective and name-calling to get to your comment, which is the first one to substantively deal with the policy change. Like you, I tend to think this is a ham-handed move, but like one of the sibling comments, I also have to acknowledge that it’s common for other nations to require change-of-status applications happen outside the country. For example, Japan requires th…

Japan only requires leaving for converting a tourist/digital nomad visa and some Working Holiday Visas to a normal working/spouse visa. And WHV to normal status is really dependent on the partner country. For example Australians don't need to leave, but Canadians and Brits do, and I've heard that immigration will sometimes just grant the change of status anyways. So that seems to indicate that Japan doesn't really care.

Needing to leave to convert a normal working/spouse status to PR is not the norm anywhere.

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Post by khriss »

The performative cruelty is the intent, I guess. At this point, seems like the only practical thing to do is to wait the lunatic out.

However, the big question this will leave for future immigrants is 'What if this current administration is the prototype for future Republican administrations?'

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Post by tardedmeme »

cloche wrote: post #511
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

Unfortunately, I think this is the point. They want to push the needle so that even legal immigration is restricted or difficult (unless you happen to pay them directly) https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/23/us/politics/trump-legal-i...

Why don't they just say what they mean, and ban immigration completely? Are they trying to trick most immigrants into leaving voluntarily so they can deny re-entry?

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Post by saguntum »

Aniket-N wrote: post #458
robofanatic wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> e.g. Indian parents can obtain Indian citizenship for their kids but it also means letting go of the kids' US citizenship This is not true, India has something called “Overseas Citizenship of India” which is technically not a citizenship even though the name says, but its a life time visa available for US citizens of Indian origin. And you don’t have to give up US citizenship

It’s a visa that you do need to apply for. And it’s not a guaranteed thing. If it doesn’t work out. Kids stay in the US and parents get kicked out?

I know you are asking rhetorically, but this occurs routinely under the current US immigration regime.

There have been over 100,000 children separated from their parents in the United States due to immigration enforcement since 2025.

The feature story in the linked article is about a now 2 year old whose parents were not there for them beginning to walk or talk.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/18/us/brookings-institution-...

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