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Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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I'm sorry to spoil it for you, but Perl script was able to do all of that like ... 10 years ago? The out-of-the-box Shotwell manages photos quite well without any intelligence. The problem, as people mentioned above, is SOTA models cognitive and tooling abilities. Also, have you noticed as top-end Mac Studios got downgraded recently? They don't want you to have access to frontier models. And you will not have it. See…

> They don't want you to have access to frontier models. And you will not have it. See Mythos as Exibit A. "They" fully well know that they current frontier model are maybe 6 month ahead of what people will have access to without their control. See Deepseek as Exibit B The reason you can't run these locally are more with the fact that those mythos sized models require extreme amount of memory and processing power to…

I am convinced the (mainly chinese) open weights models are the only reason OpenAI and Anthropic release at the pace they do. Without them being on their heels, we would have seen a stagnant duopoly in terms of public releases.

That is why the huge lobby machine is grinding away to make those models illegal.

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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> paying $100/month There will not ever be a monthly subscription for LLM tokens. The economics isn't there. Local tokens will always be cheaper.

There already are many subscriptions for LLM tokens: OpenAI, Claude, Synthetic (shameless plug), Zai... I'm not sure what you mean by "There will not ever be a monthly subscription for LLM tokens." That already exists!

Monthly subscriptions is a "first hit is free" promo.

In the future LLMs will be priced per token, not all-you-can-eat.

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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> higher param count models will remain smarter for a looong time They're not smarter, they just know more stuff. You probably don't need knowledge about Pokemon or the Diamond Sutra in your enterprise coding LLM. The "smarts" comes from post-training, especially around tool use.

You probably don't need knowledge about Pokemon or the Diamond Sutra in your enterprise coding LLM. That's one of the biggest remaining head-scratchers in this whole business. You do need all that unrelated stuff to make a good coding model. Nobody knows why you can't build a coding model by training on nothing but code, CS texts, specifications, and case studies, but so far it appears that you can't.

This one is kind of obvious - because people prompt coding LLMs with natural language. That's unrelated to stuffing the pre-train set with trivia factoids.

An LLM that knows English very well isn't actually very large and certainly not hundreds of billions of parameters.

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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I'm sorry to spoil it for you, but Perl script was able to do all of that like ... 10 years ago? The out-of-the-box Shotwell manages photos quite well without any intelligence. The problem, as people mentioned above, is SOTA models cognitive and tooling abilities. Also, have you noticed as top-end Mac Studios got downgraded recently? They don't want you to have access to frontier models. And you will not have it. See…

Do we even have decent OCR nowadays? Any free solutions?

Depends on your use case. My procuction runs satisfactory on a local docling-serve ( https://github.com/docling-project/docling-serve ), but that is mostly easy relatively clean scans of decently typeset documents with some typical scanning artefacts.

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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Actually you can do way more things than that. We have optimized it to process 2TB of high def videos on a M5 MBP in under 24 hours, including everything such as speech understanding, face recog, LLM and VLM. Super fun.

If Steve Jobs was alive Apple would have already demoed this as a new line of Macs with open weight models pre-installed with hooks into all of their existing content creation software. And he would have the audience believing all the demos were running through third party AI providers, until at the last moment explaining “actually all of that ran on device with no connection to any external services.”

hhh, "one more thing"

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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Actually you can do way more things than that. We have optimized it to process 2TB of high def videos on a M5 MBP in under 24 hours, including everything such as speech understanding, face recog, LLM and VLM. Super fun.

Is this project public or have you written about it anywhere?

Yeah, we've recently made it public. You can check it out here: https://clipto.com

Be aware that it is still a beast that sucks in a lot of memory.

Oh, one more thing ;) remember to keep your Mac plugged in...

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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mainframe industry vs personal computers. If their product is "access to a big model running on a really big computer" (if we can count 'multiple data-centers' as a single enormous distributed computer), then the product "small, accessible device that everyone has" risks killing their cash cow. Ironically enough, the first company to really focus on "an LLM in every phone" will have a good shot at actually being the…

As an aside, the mainframe industry was profitable for decades before PCs took over. It’s not like they spent a zillion dollars ramping up at the same time.

The mainframe industry IS profitable.

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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Overall I'm bullish on standardized local APIs that ship with the browser or platform. Far more tractable than expecting end users to stand up their own local model instances, though r/LocalLLaMA is a fantastic community to follow if you want to go that route. A useful framing over “local vs cloud AI” can be split along two axes: does the task touch private data, and does it need frontier intelligence? You can use fr…

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Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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The business model is the total lack of attention to Qwen and Kimi that would happen if their models weren't downloadable. Before releasing the weights, there was basically zero attention paid in the western hemisphere to them, for whatever reason. By releasing the weights, they're relevant in the western world. The business model is to get people in the West to pay to use their platform hosting their AI, that otherw…

Baidu have a lot of services I've never heard of, that are highly successful in China. The lack of interest in expanding into Western audiences doesn't seem to matter there - what's different about inference?

Looking at Temu and Shien, there's a ton of interest in expanding into western audiences, the difference with inference is that they've found a way to make that happen. Vs, I don't have any use for, eg Baidu's equivalent to Google maps because I have, well, Google maps.

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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I'm literally working on an iOS app right now that needs to infer some input fields from free text typed by the user. Now to take into consideration typos, unstructured text (pricing, dates .. etc), I was pondering a cloud LLM or a basic local parser or even a local on-device LLM (ANE for 15+ devices and a different on-device LLM for the older models) For the different on-device LLM, I literally went to HuggingFace a…

Apple includes a local LLM on all recent iPhones, https://developer.apple.com/documentation/foundationmodels . Seems like a bad idea to force your users to download a 3GB LLM just to parse a text field.

Yeah but I need broader coverage on older phones. No I'm not going for a 3rd party LLM. Foundation Models for iPhone 15 and newer, and a parser for the older ones. Currently training a Word Tagger in Create ML
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