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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by MarsIronPI »

swat535 wrote: post #622
dogemaster2026 wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP said it was not for “defence.” I am arguing the reasons were for the defense of American interests. That is objectively true.

Invading other countries to take their resources and kill civilians is not defence. With your logic, Russia is also acting in a defensive manner.

I'm probably going to get flagged for this, but here goes anyway.

Russia absolutely has reason to not want Ukraine to join NATO. I'm not condoning the invasion, but I say it absolutely makes sense for Russia to carry it out. Not a reason to commit war crimes, or to cause any more suffering than necessary, but from a national security perspective it makes sense to want to disrupt the process of Ukraine joining NATO.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by MarsIronPI »

englishrookie wrote: post #433
Izikiel43 wrote: post #363

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Yeah, those are just pretty words without the power to enforce them, like everything else the UN does

Almost everything about societies except cities is just pretty words. Countries and most borders are just an abstraction. We fight for them because someone convinces us with words to do so. We could do the same for the UN and it would be a much nobler cause in most cases.

> Countries and most borders are just an abstraction.

Not true. Patriotism is very real. It's an affection for a group of people and for the ideals of those people. To some lesser extent it's also love for the geography of your land. But patriotism is rarer in the west than it once was. Also, if a country's territory is invaded by an enemy, at least some of its people will go to fight to protect their families from the oncoming enemies.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by MarsIronPI »

fhdkweig wrote: post #327
lazide wrote: post #99

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Ah, invasive extra paperwork (enforced by criminal penalties, at least in theory) for something they say on the surface they won’t actually need. So very german (hah)

In the United States, adult males have to sign up for the Selective Service for the same reason even though we haven't had conscription since the Vietnam War in the late 1970s(?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

Can someone explain to me how the Selective Service is constitutional? I know Congress "shall have Power To... provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union", but that's only a call, not a legal requirement for anyone to answer the call. The argument seems untenable to me. Not to mention that it's a gross violation of individual freedom, and that if you can't get people to fight for their country then maybe there's something wrong with the country.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by pietrod »

guerrilla wrote: post #594

Nobody's going to bring up the sexism? I thought feminism was for equality. Why then no complains of not having equal responsibility here? Just like when Ukraine did this, nobody cared. No complaints in the media at all. They always want more women in the offices too, never in the coal mines.

I scrolled till this comment on disbelief that everybody fail/pretend not to notice, just incredible.

really for some people the concept of equality is a transaction, when you give me is ok when is my time I'm distracted... "is all a construct" until "this is the traditional way bro come on", disgusting.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by MarsIronPI »

guerrilla wrote: post #602
raffael_de wrote: post #597

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Also Curds and Israelis prove that women can very well be full on soldiers.

Kurds* yes and Sweden as well. I agree, it's not like people are running around swinging broadswords, maces and war axes anymore. Anyone without a disability can run and pull a trigger or do all those technical jobs.

Technical jobs yes. Infantry still requires a lot of physical strength. I'd welcome anyone who has that strength to be in the infantry, but anyone who can't, male or female, should not be in the infantry, or any job that might require dragging heavy people or heavy equipment.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by MarsIronPI »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #558
neilwilson wrote: post #552

Other than moving within the rest of the EU under Article 21 EU law trumps German law. In US terms such a requirement is not “constitutional”.

> In US terms such a requirement is not “constitutional” Then what is the selective service?

As an American, I fail to see how it is constitutional.

See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47653207

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by MarsIronPI »

benj111 wrote: post #364
orange_joe wrote: post #118

How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

How does the concept of the global citizen survive? You have a group of citizens who are expected to perform military service, and another group who aren't really invested in the country and don't have to serve.

> How does the concept of the global citizen survive?

Why do we need this concept? Find a country you can be proud of, become a citizen, join its culture, and defend it when it is threatened. Don't go live somewhere or get citizenship just because it's convenient.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by coiduck »

guerrilla wrote: post #594

Nobody's going to bring up the sexism? I thought feminism was for equality. Why then no complains of not having equal responsibility here? Just like when Ukraine did this, nobody cared. No complaints in the media at all. They always want more women in the offices too, never in the coal mines.

Men in general are more disposable. The human population could be sustained with a smaller number of men than women. Or, from hardly any men and a well-stocked sperm bank.

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Post by mopsi »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #761
swat535 wrote: post #622

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Invading other countries to take their resources and kill civilians is not defence. With your logic, Russia is also acting in a defensive manner.

I'm probably going to get flagged for this, but here goes anyway. Russia absolutely has reason to not want Ukraine to join NATO. I'm not condoning the invasion, but I say it absolutely makes sense for Russia to carry it out. Not a reason to commit war crimes, or to cause any more suffering than necessary, but from a national security perspective it makes sense to want to disrupt the process of Ukraine joining NATO.

Only if you accept the hidden assumption that Russia is an antagonist toward the rest of Europe. Otherwise the common "national security" justifications make no sense, because Russia benefits immensely from other NATO members investing resources into the development of institutions in newer member states.

A former Russian foreign minister has labeled NATO "free-of-charge security" for Russia, because NATO membership requirements turn a country into a stable and predictable place. The best neighbors Russia has are in NATO, and much of that stability is directly attributable to their membership.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by wat10000 »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #760
wat10000 wrote: post #549

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That's mostly because transport companies have to pay to ship you back if you get turned away at the border, so they will want to see your permission to enter your destination country before you leave. I've traveled internationally a fair bit and I've never had to show my passport to government officials when leaving the US.

Don't the TSA count as government agents? I don't have a problem with these checks, but I do believe the TSA does them, no?

TSA needs some form of ID but they’ll accept non-passport ID even if you’re traveling internationally.
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