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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by AdamN »

xp84 wrote: post #486
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By friends we mean IT leadership in organizations which really needs to be making the case for MacOS, Linux, ChromeOS, or whatever instead of (but more likely in addition to) Windows.

It’s absolutely adorable to include macOS in that list, as though good ol’ Tim Apple is the White Knight standing up for consumers and always doing the right thing. MacOS and Windows are working from the same playbook. The specifics vary, but leaving one for the other is like running from an abusive boyfriend to his slightly-richer and slightly-better-looking best friend who acts just like him.

It's about diversity more than anything else. MacOS is the only credible alternative to Windows for many users and organizations.

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Post by Draiken »

tsss wrote: post #539
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How the hell can healthy competition breed enshittification? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Take an industry with healthy competition like restaurants. You can compete in price, quality, format, service and probably a lot more. Now tell me how that competition enshittified eating at restaurants? For me, nothing stands out. If a restaurant charges nonsense fees, under-staffs to increase profits, reduce portions…

> Take an industry with healthy competition like restaurants. You can compete in price, quality, format, service and probably a lot more. Yes, and you correctly point out: On the average restaurant visit, nothing stands out. A good restaurant only needs to provide not-terrible food and not-terrible service to be almost indistinguishable from all others. Quality of a restaurant visit is hard to measure and compare. Pr…

You're totally right. This makes sense if price ends up being the only metric. I never thought about it this way.

Guess capitalism leads to enshittification no matter what.

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Post by rbanffy »

hnlmorg wrote: post #726
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> Telling people to just go without a TV is a little more than a “perceived” inconvenience. The TV I have has never had an antenna cable plugged, or an internet connection. It’s, from day one, been a large HDMI monitor to an Apple TV, a Nintendo Switch and a C64 Maxi with some other devices plugged in from time to time. It IS possible to ignore the TV’s software most of the time (mine, luckily, isn’t intrusive at all…

Yes, we’ve all done that. I mentioned earlier about how I used XBMC on an original Xbox. But we aren’t normal people. Normal people wouldn’t even know how to set up a media centre. And the Nintendo Switch famously has next to no video streaming platforms on it.

> But we aren’t normal people

It's both a blessing and a curse.

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

joe_mamba wrote: post #566
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Chat software is absurdly expensive. I’m not saying teams is good, but being nickel and dimed is a real risk for businesses too.

>Chat software is absurdly expensive. Define absurdly expensive here. I can probably guarantee that for small to medium sized business paying Slack or Microsoft for chat software is miles cheaper than self hosting it yourself. My Google-Fu says Slack costs $18.00 /user/mo for their Business+ subscription plan. That's still relative peanuts compared to the yearly salary, let's say 60k/year, of developer you hire to se…

You do not need anywhere need a full time employee to spin up a Matrix instance.

You need 1 of the IT people you're paying already to do a couple of hours of allocating a server, running it, and setting up permissions.

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Post by bonoboTP »

harvey9 wrote: post #744
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Files and folders are already a helpful metaphor taken from paper based office work. You have container folders and you can put different files (pieces of paper) into different folders. The thing thats a bit conceptually hard for regular people is the nesting, that folders can contain folders can contain folders. The real world has some nesting too, like putting folders in drawers but it's more limited in number of l…

I was particularly referring to Office applications which have a first stage save dialogue with some folders shown but if you want to navigate to another location you need to browse which opens another window. In the physical office metaphor this would be having to change your shoes to look in a different file cabinet

Oh I see, I hate the new UI of Office. I somewhat accept the ribbon, but this new full screen file menu replacement where they try to make you save stuff to the cloud makes me want to go back to the good old File > Save as... > Dialog popup of Office 2003.

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Post by joseda-hg »

bombcar wrote: post #614
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Excel is the biggest blocker for my dad, and why I keep losing the argument to get my parents to move to Linux or Mac. Pretty much all their other stuff is stuff that either works fine on Linux or is just in the browser anyway, but the only thing that I don't really have a rebuttal to is when my dad points out that he uses the full-fat excel and a lot of the more modern features. I would so rather they move to Linux,…

What do they do with Excel for Windows that they can't do with Excel for Mac?

I'd guess PowerPivot and PowerQuery

You'd think it's third party the way it locks up a file or makes it so you can't basic things like interacting with filters

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Post by tsss »

Draiken wrote: post #762
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> Take an industry with healthy competition like restaurants. You can compete in price, quality, format, service and probably a lot more. Yes, and you correctly point out: On the average restaurant visit, nothing stands out. A good restaurant only needs to provide not-terrible food and not-terrible service to be almost indistinguishable from all others. Quality of a restaurant visit is hard to measure and compare. Pr…

You're totally right. This makes sense if price ends up being the only metric. I never thought about it this way. Guess capitalism leads to enshittification no matter what.

But it's not capitalism, it's market function. The same would happen in a socialist market economy.

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Post by orthoxerox »

buccal wrote: post #631
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I remember being excited about Edge, I even started using it because it was fast and had a couple of built-in features I liked. It was a big improvement over the old IE, it felt like Microsoft was going the right direction, but then they kept using dark patterns to change my default search engine to Bing.

Now you have "rounded edges" in Edge that add a content area limiting margins to all sides. Also, they took an open source browser and do not provide the source for Edge. So much for love of open source.

Should've used GPL, Google!

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Post by listenallyall »

zahlman wrote: post #680
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Telling people to just go without a TV is a little more than a “perceived” inconvenience. The reality is that companies know they can get away with crap because they all get away with crap. And because they all do it, consumers are powerless. This is why regulation isn’t a bad the thing that many HNers seem to recoil at. The real problem with regulation is when it’s defined by lobbyists rather than consumer groups. B…

> Telling people to just go without a TV is a little more than a “perceived” inconvenience. From personal experience, it really really is barely even an inconvenience. Especially in a world where YouTube exists and is accessible for free from a desktop computer. There's barely been anything good on TV for decades, and the older stuff probably only seemed good because of the difficulty of publishing any competition.

Lol, your position is, don't watch tv, just watch YouTube. That's not really a radical shift.

Fine if it works for you, but TV has plenty of things going for it... big screens, watch from 10 ft away on a couch, watch with other people, regular schedule (i.e. Jeopardy on the same time every day), live sports, local news, shows with generally high production values. But probably most importantly, passivity - yes that is a feature.

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