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Re: The MacBook Neo

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You're comparing a $1254-minimum laptop[0] with a $599-minimum laptop[1] and asserting that the one that's twice as expensive is nicer. I'd expect it to be. In fact, I'd demand it. (I'm ignoring the "old model, found cheaply" bit because that's entirely irrelevant. You can find old Macs on sale around, too, but that doesn't mean you can reasonably compare them to the MSRP of a brand new device.) [0] https://www.lenov…

I don't see why comparing prices between used and new options is unreasonable in this case. If I want a machine to do XYZ (without the stipulation that it be new ), then an older model might well be better value. "In $CURRENT_YEAR, how can I get X processing power?" Of course, old Macs should factor into that too. Also, it's a different story if I do want something brand new.

Here it’s because the old PC they picked is worse in every way than the brand new PC, except for RAM, which the Mac largely mitigates by having ludicrously fast flash hanging off the CPU. Of course an older, worse PC is going to be cheaper than a new Mac. (Except in this case, buying the boat anchor saves you a whopping $20. It’s not even better specs for the same price: it’s worse than the Apple gear that costs the same.)

If we want to compare new vs used, then how much would you have to spend to buy a brand new PC laptop as powerful as last year’s MacBook Pro?

Re: The MacBook Neo

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It's been Year Of The Linux Handheld for gaming since 2022, the best platform to play games is Steam Deck where updates are clicking "Update" in the System panel. You can run either Bazzite or SteamOS on your own hardware, although I haven't tried that.

The best platform, provided the games you want to play actually work and work well. Many do not, even some popular ones. I own a steam deck and love it, but please, let’s temper the enthusiasm with realism.

sure "best" is subjectively true for my criteria: it plays the largest number of games with about zero annoyance / friction. maybe desktop windows plays more games, but it certainly has a bazillion more frictions and annoyances

Re: The MacBook Neo

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Windows is such an offensive, defect-ridden pile of shit now that every PC maker should be blaming Microsoft for their inability to compete with the Neo. I bought my parents Asus laptops years ago, and can't wait to replace them with a Neo. Microsoft has spurned and scorned users. Now it's time for computer makers to push back and reject its shit. I'd love to see a consortium of computer makers come together to refin…

>I'd love to see a consortium of computer makers come together to refine a Linux distro that's consumer-friendly enough to oust Windows and compete with Mac OS. System 76 already has Pop!_OS. Lenovo.com/linux will redirect you to a list of linux compatible lenovo laptops that's a mile long.

That's cool, but they need to mount a marketing campaign to announce the arrival of a "new OS" to the everyday user. They need to go on the offensive against Microsoft and educate consumers.

Re: The MacBook Neo

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The problem is, I just want to plug in a monitor, mouse and keyboard into my phone.

But it cannot be done because it only allows AppStore content with a 30% cut for Apple.

Technically it's not challenging as you can see with this new MacBook.

Re: The MacBook Neo

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How do you reconcile the fact that that Apple will sell millions of these devices without a compatible Linux distribution shipping for years if ever with your claim about it being DOA? Like sure it’s DOA to you, but in what world does that really matter when it’s going to sell so well?

The same way I reconcile the fact that the 11" Macbook sold millions of devices; consumers don't care. They don't buy Macs as a conscious evaluation of what the device is capable of or how well it was made. Even the 2019 16" Macbook Pro, arguably the worst Mac ever sold, has millions of units floating around in Obsoleteland. Personally I agree with the parent's comment. I used to buy Macs, but nowadays Apple alienate…

Consider how many Macs in total that Apple sold during the years that Apple sold the 11 inch Air and that they discontinued it, I doubt it was a raging success.

Especially seeing that with the Apple now selling the 13 inch Neo and it decided to sell a larger Air instead of a small one, I don’t think it sold that well.

Re: The MacBook Neo

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> my personal workstation remains a 2021 M1 Max MacBook Pro I was surprised that a guy who shills Apple for a living still uses a 5 year old MacBook. It goes to show how the longevity of laptops has increased over time. I'm also on a M1 Macbook and find it hard to justify an upgrade.

Someone didn’t read the “There is something rotten in Cupertino” article that caused Apple not only to not make an executive available for his post WWDC podcast for the first time in a decade or how he continuously criticizes Tim Cook kissing Trump’s ass.

He has also been a continuous critic of Apple’s App Store policies and its handling of regulators

Re: The MacBook Neo

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Just imagine what Apple would do to the market if they also offered a full Linux support, but not Windows... They'd probably own some 70% of Linux market outright and also double its overall size overnight.

You really overestimate how many people care about Linux …

Re: The MacBook Neo

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I cannot believe I am saying this, but I am honestly thinking about getting one. So my iPad Pro is nice and I love my Mac Studio, but my MacBook Pro is out of support and installing Fedora Linux on it will be a hassle due to the touchbar from what I can tell. So I am actually in a marked for a laptop to just write on when I am on the go... The neo fits that spec perfectly....

Re: The MacBook Neo

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> fixed 8GB of RAM. I think that’s too little for a modern Mac operating on the modern web. The best comparator here is likely the iPhone 16 Pros, released in late 2024. These were the flagship iPhones until late 2025. They are only one generation old. They have the same CPU and the same 8GB of RAM. I have never heard anyone complain that they suffer performance-wise from having too little RAM. Many of the apps non-d…

On iOS if an app remains in the background for over ~30 seconds, it gets killed. So, you can't really compare. On iOS you can have 3GB of RAM and it wouldn't be a bottleneck.

> On iOS if an app remains in the background for over ~30 seconds, it gets killed.

Except 1) that's not entirely true (famously: music, Zoom) and 2) yes, cooperative state management. Users do not know or care that an app is not actually running if it appears that it is still running when they switch back to it. #2 obviously does not work for many dev use cases, but it would not impact my workflow if e.g. ChatGPT or Chrome were suspended when not in the foreground.

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