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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by mixmastamyk »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #594
epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

> I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror. The islamic republic of Iran has been slaughtering tens of thousands of peaceful protesters who don't want to live under sharia laws anymore. Hunting wounded in hospitals and executing them. It's obvious there's a movement in Iran that tries to topple the islamist regime. In my city, in the EU, I see cars with iranian flags and I've…

That was obviously exaggerated, think about the planning and resources needed to execute a stadium worth of people across a country. Not possible in a few days without extreme preparation, or bodies rotting everywhere.

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pphysch wrote: post #752
tlogan wrote: post #548

I hope this war will be short. And that the result will be Iran becoming a democracy that fully joins the global community. The Iranian people (Persians, Azerbaijanis, Kurds, and others), deserve better. It would benefit the entire world to see Iran integrated and engaged internationally.

There is virtually zero recent historical precedent supporting your wish, and plenty of precedent suggesting the opposite will happen.

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

coffinbirth wrote: post #494

> Iranian media now report 40 killed and 48 students injured following the strike on a girls’ elementary school in Minab, as rescue and recovery efforts continue. Congrats America!

As an Iranian-American that's familiar with the regime, I would take that with a grain of salt. I saw this being reported from the Iranian regime themselves and they know how to manipulate optics and media really well. It's possible, but needs verification. I would also not put it past Iran to build their military infrastructure around schools intentionally (similar to Hamas with hospitals) in the hopes that it has this exact effect. Of course that does nothing to take away from the tragedy of innocent people dying and I'm not trying to negate that in any way, just something to point out.

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Post by actionfromafar »

kenjackson wrote: post #745
ourmandave wrote: post #577

Again, little to no information for the US public. No approval from Congress. Calling for the people to rise up. You can't bomb your way into regime change. Are we supplying arms to groups? Is there a plan beyond pointless death and regional chaos the president would like to share?

A plan? Actually there is. This is all part of the backdrop to end US elections. We can’t have elections in the middle of a major war. And if we do have them we must greatly constrain how they are held while we are at war.

So, I heard Epstein started a war in the middle east...

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Post by wat10000 »

gruez wrote: post #656
ourmandave wrote: post #577

Again, little to no information for the US public. No approval from Congress. Calling for the people to rise up. You can't bomb your way into regime change. Are we supplying arms to groups? Is there a plan beyond pointless death and regional chaos the president would like to share?

>No approval from Congress. To be fair that's been the case for decades. Trump's hardly new in this.

For better or for worse, the War Powers Resolution acts as standing approval.

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Post by nasaeclipse »

All I can do is sit here and sigh.

The thing is, as sudden as this seems to the general public, this is something that takes months of planning. Having served in the Navy for eight years, I know that this kind of thing doesn't necessarily happen overnight. That doesn't mean it _couldn't_. The US military certainly does have the ability to plan a strike very quickly.

But, most likely, this was planned behind closed doors. Based on the reports, I bet this was probably planned shortly after Trump took office. It just so happens that it's a good distraction from the Epstein files.

I hate the direction this country's government is taking. It sucks. I just want to leave at some point. I don't want my family to grow up here anymore.

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Post by richk449 »

parineum wrote: post #716
ourmandave wrote: post #577

Again, little to no information for the US public. No approval from Congress. Calling for the people to rise up. You can't bomb your way into regime change. Are we supplying arms to groups? Is there a plan beyond pointless death and regional chaos the president would like to share?

> No approval from Congress. I don't support it but there's blanket approval from Congress from the AUMF.

This authorizes an attack on Iran?

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This joint resolution may be cited as the ‘‘Authorization for Use of Military Force’’. SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES. (a) IN GENERAL.—That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

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Post by nullocator »

niemandhier wrote: post #342

Previous conflicts between the involved parties were intense but also defined by constrain on both sides. Israel did not mass bomb civilians, and Iranian agents did not commit sabotage against infrastructure on US soil. I hope this pattern persists. A hand full of determined Ukrainians managed to blow up North Stream, some people plunged part of Berlin into darkness for 2 weeks. Power and data cables as well as pipel…

Israel has been mass bombing civilians right next door for years now.

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Post by scoofy »

Zealotux wrote: post #352
adverbly wrote: post #341

Well hopefully this is short, minimally lethal, and leads to regime change for all those involved.

>leads to regime change for all those involved Including for the U.S. and Israel?

It is difficult to instigate regime change for democratically elected governments.

Iran has an unelected supreme leader.

Israel has a large portion of its population completely disenfranchised.

The US has a generally democratically elected government.

If one of these governments is going to fall during military instabilities, it would most likely be Iran. The US will have significant regime change in November if polling holds.

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Post by tlogan »

rcbdev wrote: post #638
tlogan wrote: post #548

I hope this war will be short. And that the result will be Iran becoming a democracy that fully joins the global community. The Iranian people (Persians, Azerbaijanis, Kurds, and others), deserve better. It would benefit the entire world to see Iran integrated and engaged internationally.

> Fully joins the global community If by that you mean that Iran will become a toothless vassal state of the U.S.-Americans, then God forbid.

What do you mean by “toothless”?

I was thinking more along the lines of Japan or South Korea. Militarily restrained, but prosperous and strong.

I understand that recent military actions have often made things worse, not better. I am just trying to stay optimistic. From what I know, many Iranians are not enthusiastic about religion controlling law and politics.

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