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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by vharuck »

doug_durham wrote: post #533
prpl wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably yes. Additionally the (probably more for AWS) won't be allowed to use it internally either. This will probably apply to all the top SaaS/software companies unilaterally. Additionally, every major university will undoubtedly have to terminate the use of Claude. First on the list will be universities that run labs under DOD contracts (e.g. MIT, Princeton, JHU), DOE contracts (Stanford, University of California…

There is no evidence that what you say is true. A tweet is not a legally binding statement.

>A tweet is not a legally binding statement.

In the recent Supreme Court hearing over the firing of Lisa Cook from the Federal Reserve, the administration is acting like Truth Social posts are official notices.

>Several justices have noted the unusual nature of the case before it, which began with a post by Trump on his social media platform, Truth Social, that said he would fire Cook.

>Jackson wondered why that would be considered sufficient notice: “How is it that we can assume that she’s on social media?”

https://apnews.com/live/supreme-court-lisa-cook-federal-rese...

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by charcircuit »

pinkmuffinere wrote: post #416

Wow, and the only restrictions Anthropic asked for are (1) no mass domestic surveillance and (2) require human-in-the-loop for killing [1]. Those seem exceptionally reasonable, and even rather weak, lol :| [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war

That's the restrictions for now. New restrictions could be added later or the situation of the world could change where those no longer seem reasonable. The military needs that ability to move fast and not be held back.

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Post by ternwer »

cal_dent wrote: post #133
lukewrites wrote: post #6

I admire Anthropic for sticking to their principles, even if it affects the bottom line. That’s the kind of company you want to work for.

The team that handles their PR has done an amazing job in the last 9 months

Why? What has their PR department done? Most people are quite critical of a lot of their messaging, it's their actions that seem worth encouraging

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by svachalek »

kranke155 wrote: post #484
lesuorac wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the original contract, it's entirely appropriate for a vendor to tell the customer how to use any materials. Imagine a _leaded_ pipe supplier not being allowed to tell the department of war they shouldn't use leaded pipes for drinking water! It's the job of the vendor to tell the customer appropriate usage.

They also have other vendors. Claude Opus is just remarkably good at analysis IMO, much better than any competitor I’ve tried. It was remarkably good and complete at helping me with some health issues I’ve had in the past few months. If you were to turn that kind of analytical power in a way to observe the behaviour of American citizens and to change it perhaps, to make them vote a certain way. Or something like - fi…

Or how to best direct the power of the military against the US civilian population. They keep trying.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by gck1 »

puppycodes wrote: post #464

Help me understand the line Anthropic is drawing in the sand? Don't get me wrong i'm glad they are unwilling to do certain things... but to me it also seems a little ironic that Anthropic literally is partnered with Palantir which already mass surveills the US. Claude was used in the operation in Venezuala. Their line not to cross seems absurdly thin? Or there is something mega scary thats already much worse they wer…

I don't understand the line as well. So its no to domestic surveillance, but all other countries are a fair game? How is this an ethical stand? What sort of mental gymnastics allow Anthropic to classify this as an ethical stance?

To me all of this reads like "we don't trust our models enough yet to not cause domestic havoc, all other is fine, and we don't trust our models enough yet to not vibe-kill people". Key word being "yet".

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Post by JeremyNT »

Someone1234 wrote: post #53

Topics like this are where I struggle with HN philosophy. Normally avoiding politics and ideology where possible, created higher quality and more interesting discussions. But how do you even begin to discuss that Tweet or this topic without talking about ideology and to contextualize this with other seemingly unrelated things currently going on in the US? I genuinely don't think I'm conversationally agile enough to b…

Everything is political. All of our tech exists within society, and the actions of the government shape the incentives of every actor and the framework we exist in.

HN likes to pretend otherwise, especially when it's inconvenient.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by deaux »

nickysielicki wrote: post #388
cobolcomesback wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the hyper scalers are going to stop offering Claude. All of the big 3 have invested billions of dollars into Anthropic, and have tens (if not hundreds) of billions more tied up in funding deals with them. Amazon and Google are two of the largest shareholders of Anthropic. Anthropic is going to be fine. The DoD is going to walk this back and pretend it never happened to save face.

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> Anthropic is not even close to too big to fail.

Ironically, of all things Trump has done so far, closing Anthropic could set a new record for pissing off the highest number of people globally. Outside of HN with a group of dedicated people who is against it, the whole global software world is already running on CC.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by eduction »

This will likely be deeply unpopular but: Good!

The place to set policies on the use of hammers and police enforcement is not at the counter of the hardware store. “You want a hammer but don’t have a contractors license? Are you in a training program? Oh you just want to hang framed art - can I see your lease, does it allow hammering metal into the walls?”

We govern these things through laws and a democratic process. Police enforce the laws.

I don’t want some overconfident Silicon Valley engineering firm telling me how to use my digital tools, and you shouldn’t either.

Whatever you think of this administration, our military should not have to ask contractors permission for their operations.

To stop mass surveillance and autonomous lethality, pass laws. Asking unelected tech executives to do this is asking for trouble. They have no business doing it.

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Post by drivebyhooting »

gentleman11 wrote: post #742
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #416

Wow, and the only restrictions Anthropic asked for are (1) no mass domestic surveillance and (2) require human-in-the-loop for killing [1]. Those seem exceptionally reasonable, and even rather weak, lol :| [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war

Trump doesn't want another election to happen. He needs some powerful tools to ensure that happens, ie, massive scale ai surveillance and manipulation. Eg, like Xi uses in China. I bet anyone here he starts a war as his excuse

At least with Xi’s China you get 560GW of new electricity generation in one year. You get entire tier 1 cities built in 10.

What will the new American reich accomplish?

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