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Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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kelseyfrog wrote: post #164
bee_rider wrote: post #134

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This world where everybody’s very concerned with that “refined form” is annoying and exhausting. It causes discussions to become about speculative guesses about everybody else’s beliefs, not actual facts. In the end it breeds cynicism as “well yes, the belief is wrong, but everybody is stupid and believes it anyway,” becomes a stop-gap argument. I don’t know how to get away from it because ultimately coordination dep…

Or just play into the fact that it's a Keynesian Beauty Contest [1]. Find the leverage in it and exploit it. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_beauty_contest

Manipulating the The Keynesian Beauty Contest is the metagame, especially after the era of /r/Wall-street bets swelled up. What do you think Jim Kramer gets paid to do, report facts?

By 2017 teenagers were running quantitative trading algorithms and semantic analysis trading bots they found from influencers and github. Around that time private subscription fee telegram and discord "whale" insider trading groups often had multiple levels of insider trading market manipulation running pump and dump schemes. Marks would pay to join the private chat group and at a certain time of day a ticket symbol would be released for "insiders" to buy before it's promoted in public channels. The outer circle was just providing liquidity for the deeper insiders to exit with easy profit.

Most VC gambits are not much different. Sell the news. Unleash the rumors.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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tinfoilhatter wrote: post #708
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #686

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I don’t know either of those people I know Ray Kurzweil and Ben Goertzel though so maybe start there

I'm familiar with Ray Kurzweil. He's a Luciferian and transhumanist. You're obviously also a Luciferian, since you are so gung-ho about transhumanism, but I suppose you're probably in good company on HN. There are lots of deranged people on this website.

I think the person you're trying to berate is having a good chuckle at your expense.

Cheers :)

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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stego-tech wrote: post #129
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #84

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The goal is to eliminate humans as the primary actors on the planet entirely At least that’s my personal goal If we get to the point where I can go through my life and never interact with another human again, and work with a bunch of machines and robots to do science and experiments and build things to explore our world and make my life easier and safer and healthier and more sustainable, I would be absolutely thrill…

Man, I used to think exactly like you do now, disgust with humans and all. I found comfort in machines instead of my fellow man, and sorely wanted a world governed by rigid structures, systems, and rules instead of the personal whims and fancies of whoever happened to have inherited power. I hated power structures, I loathed people who I perceived to stand in the way of my happiness. I still do. The difference is tha…

I applaud and admire your effort to discuss their point in the good faith Thank you.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by tim333 »

delegate wrote: post #437

It's worth remembering that this is all happening because of video games ! It is highly unlikely that the hardware which makes LLMs possible would have been developed otherwise. Isn't that amazing ? Just like internet grew because of p*rn, AI grew because of video games. Of course, that's just a funny angle. The way I see it, AI isn't accidental. Its inception has been in the first chips, the Internet, Open Source, G…

Sci-fi ideas of robots have been around for ages and work on AI and the term singularity kicked off around 1950, so a while ago - well before chips or me being born.

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AndrewKemendo wrote: post #730
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #708

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I'm familiar with Ray Kurzweil. He's a Luciferian and transhumanist. You're obviously also a Luciferian, since you are so gung-ho about transhumanism, but I suppose you're probably in good company on HN. There are lots of deranged people on this website.

Man I sure am learning a lot about myself from you Thank you Internet person for all of this wisdom about my life that I didn’t have

Lucifer is an archetype. Transhumanists are all about one-upping God, which is exactly what Lucifer was all about. If you're a Kurzweil devotee, then you're a Luciferian whether you know it / want to admit it or not.

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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subscribed wrote: post #762
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #708

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I'm familiar with Ray Kurzweil. He's a Luciferian and transhumanist. You're obviously also a Luciferian, since you are so gung-ho about transhumanism, but I suppose you're probably in good company on HN. There are lots of deranged people on this website.

I think the person you're trying to berate is having a good chuckle at your expense. Cheers :)

Ignorance is bliss. Cheers :)

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kakapo5672 wrote: post #759
measurablefunc wrote: post #371

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Because they encode statistical properties of the training corpus. You might not know why they work but plenty of people know why they work & understand the mechanics of approximating probability distributions w/ parametrized functions to sell it as a panacea for stupidity & the path to an automated & luxurious communist utopia.

My goodness. Please introduce me to this "plenty of people". I'm in the field, and none of them work with me. But I can tell you that statistics and parametrized functions have absolutely nothing to do with it. You're way out of your depth my friend.

Yes, yes, no one understands how anything works. Calculus is magic, derivatives are pixie dust, gradient descent is some kind of alien technology. It's amazing hairless apes have managed to get this far w/ automated boolean algebra handed to us from our long forgotten godly ancestors, so on & so forth.

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Post by jodrellblank »

aidenn0 wrote: post #508
baxtr wrote: post #409

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I love that you brought this up. Chickens are killed ALL the time. It’s a recurring mass event. If you were a smart chicken you could see that pattern and put it into a formula. In contrast, the end of Humanity would be a singular event. It’s even in the name… And that is fiction / speculation in comparison. It’s not backed by any data. Human survival over 300,000 years by contrast is. I mean it’s fine to dream thing…

One thing I've wondered about is: Suppose a civilization (but not species) ending event happens. The industrial revolution was fueled (literally) by easy-to-extract fossil fuels. Do we have enough of those left to repeat the revolution and bootstrap exploitation of other energy sources?

I love the question; James Lovelock came up with Gaia Theory, the idea that Earth was a self-regulating system, illustrated by a warming Earth evolving flowers which reflect more sunlight so they can stay cooler, and a cooling Earth evolving flowers which absorb more sunlight so they can stay warmer, which act to cool/warm the planet (sortof; IIRC). In one of his last books before he died (written at age ~100) he suggests that the warming and expanding Sun means there isn't enough time for Earth to re-evolve sentient life again.

We used oil that seeped out of the surface, and coal that was accessible by pick and shovel. That's become much harder to find now, we have to make floating oil rigs and drill kilometers under the Gulf of Mexico to extract oil, and ship it internationally to refine it. There's no way primitive people could do that again.

Buckminster Fuller was thinking about this 75 years ago when he came up with the idea of 'energy slaves', nicely illustrated by this online comic[2] about how much oil energy we use to keep modern comfortable civilisation going.

So I guess it depends how far the collapse goes! And whether there is heavy farming and earth moving machinery still around and the resources to fill them with biodiesel to pick up from existing farms and mines, and if there are nearly working industries to feed electricity into, or if we have to fall back to making charcoal from wood, or if we're back to a few remote tribes a few generations removed from anyone who lived in a high civilization with no knowledge of any of it or the languages used to write the rotting textbooks.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novacene

[2] https://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comic/energy-slaves/

Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday

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Post by measurablefunc »

mlrtime wrote: post #652
measurablefunc wrote: post #565

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Online influencers, podcasters, advertisers, social media product managers, political lobbyists, cryptocurrency protocol programmers, digital/NFT artists, most of the media production industry, those people w/ leaf blowers moving dust around, political commentators (e.g. fox & friends), super PACs, most NGOs, "professional" sports, various 3 letter agencies & their associated online "influence" campaigns, think tanks…

Lol, you just listed things you don't like from a very privileged urban (my assumption) living space.

You don't know me & I don't know you so just address the substance of the post instead of worrying about where I grew up & what hardships I faced.
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