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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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There is no content like that on Bluesky nor Mastadon. Show the evidence

> There is no content like that on [...] Mast(o)don.

How can you say that nobody is posting CSAM on a massive decentralized social network with thousands of servers?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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>but I do really like a heterogenous cultural situation Why isn't that a major red flag exactly?

Hi there - author here. Care to add some specifics? I can imagine lots of complaints about this statement, but I don't know which (if any) you have.

Maybe you could start by expanding on what you mean?

It's a statement that could be taken to favor xenophobia and isolationism.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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I'm of two minds about this. One the one hand, it seems "obvious" that Grok should somehow be legally required to have guardrails stopping it from producing kiddie porn. On the other hand, it also seems "obvious" that laws forcing 3D printers to detect and block attempts to print firearms are patently bullshit. The thing is, I'm not sure how I can reconcile those two seemingly-obvious statements in a principled manne…

I don't have an answer, but the theme that's been bouncing around in my head has been about accessibility. Grok makes it trivial to create fake CSAM or other explicit images. Before, if someone spent a week on photoshop to do the same, It won't be Adobe that gets the blame. Same for 3D printers. Before, anyone could make a gun provided they have the right tools (which is very expensive), now it's being argued that 3D…

I think a company which runs a printing business would have some obligations to make sure they are not fulfilling print orders for guns. Another interesting example are printers and copiers, which do refuse to copy cash. Which is partly facilitated with the EURion constellation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation) and other means.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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To people claiming a physical raid is pointless from the point of gathering data : - you are thinking about a company doing good things the right way. You are thinking about a company abiding by the law, storing data on its own server, having good practices, etc. The moment a company starts to do dubious stuff then good practices start to go out the window. People write email with cryptic analogies, people start dele…

The people who think raids are pointless probably use TELNET instead of SSH :-)

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers. The company made and released a tool with seemingly no guard-rails, which was used en masse to generate deepfakes and child pornography.

I'm of two minds about this. One the one hand, it seems "obvious" that Grok should somehow be legally required to have guardrails stopping it from producing kiddie porn. On the other hand, it also seems "obvious" that laws forcing 3D printers to detect and block attempts to print firearms are patently bullshit. The thing is, I'm not sure how I can reconcile those two seemingly-obvious statements in a principled manne…

i don't see any need for guardrails, other than making the prompter responsible for the output of the bot, particularly when it's predictable

you cannot elaborately use a software to produce an effect that is patently illegal and accurate to your usage, and then pretend the software is to blame

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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I disagree. Prosecute people that use the tools, not the tool makers if AI generated content is breaking the law. A provider should have no responsibility how the tools are used. It is on users. This is a can of worms that should stay closed, because we all lose freedoms just because of couple of bad actors. AI and tool main job is to obey. We are hurling at "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that" future with b…

I agree that users who break the law must be prosecuted. But that doesn’t remove responsibility from tool providers when harm is predictable, scalable, and preventable by design. We already apply this logic elsewhere. Car makers must include seatbelts. Pharma companies must ensure safety. Platforms must moderate illegal content. Responsibility is shared when the risk is systemic.

Agreed. Let's try to be less divisive. Everyone has got a fair point.

Yes, AI chatbots have to do everything in their power to avoid users easily generating such content.

AND

Yes, people that do so (even if done so on your self-hosted model) have to be punished.

I believe it is OK that Grok is being investigated because the point is to figure out whether this was intentional or not.

Just my opinion.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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There is a difference between running around in a bikini and people creating sexy pictures of yourself without consent.

You do understand that?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> CSAM does not have a universal definition. Strange that there was no disagreement before "AI", right? Yet now we have a clutch of new "definitions" all of which dilute and weaken the meaning. > In Sweden for instance, CSAM is any image of an underage subject (real or realistic digital) designed to evoke a sexual response. No corroboration found on web. Quite the contrary, in fact: "Sweden does not have a legislativ…

This is the actual law (Brottsbalken 16:10a) https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-och-lagar/dokument/sven... A person who 1. depicts a child in a pornographic image, 2. disseminates, transfers, provides, exhibits, or otherwise makes such an image of a child available to another person, 3. acquires or offers such an image of a child, 4. facilitates contacts between buyers and sellers of such images of children or take…

> a child pornography offense to imprisonment for at most two years.

That underlines the extreme difference w.r.t. CSAM, which can get you life, at least here in UK.

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