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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Apple users seem to be fine with everything being much more expensive. Not only the 30% apple tax itself, developers know Apple users pay more and specify higher prices on Apple.

30% is also the cut google takes on the google play store. This is not an apple only issue. This is a regulatory one.

Google allows out–of–store installation (for now...) so it's much easier to argue there's competition. Apps installed through F–Droid don't have this tax.

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With freedom also comes responsibility, and some innocent people will inevitably shoot themselves in the foot. This is not a strong enough argument for putting everybody else in a cage and letting a duopoly take over virtually all of the distribution of consumer software.

It might be a strong argument depending on the negative effects - I don't think it's very clear cut. Also no, neither Apple nor Google have a duopoly on the distribution of all consumer software. Microsoft exists, for example. The other problem consideration here is negotiating power. Today consumers don't have negotiating power over individual developers, but both Apple and Google do. If you complain to Meta about t…

Apple and Google each respectively have a monopoly in their markets. Only apple approved apps may be installed on an iPhone.

Digital goods DO NOT work like physical goods. I can just buy another washing machine. I CANNOT just choose to opt out of using a smartphone. My choices are apple or Google, and even within those choices it's limited by network effects.

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I hate the classic apple users' "mom" argument. Why are all your moms morons? And why do you want to fuck up the entire mobile landscape to baby proof it for them. Im not gonna ruin my experience with technology because you dont expect your mom to be able to wipe her ass without apple's help

There is nothing stopping you from using non-Apple hardware to escape restrictions on downloading unreviewed software.

There are many things impeding you from doing so and you know it, because Apple designed it that way. Walled garden, remember?

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Another outstanding decision vetted by Tim Cook. In all seriousness, finance people see everything through the lens of margins and money primarily. Since any company's function is to deliver value to its shareholders, if allowed, bean counters will scorch the earth for it. Ultimately, this is at odds on how Jobs approached things, i.e., money was not the end all be all.

Apple's 30% tax was introduced under Steve Jobs and there were no small business exemptions back then. Jobs died in 2011. It's time to stop extrapolating what Jobs would be doing 15 years later in 2026 if he were still around. Could be the same, could be better, could be worse.

It isn't 'You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain', it's 'You either die a hero or live long enough for people to realize you are a villain'. While it's ultimately meaningless to speculate on what the dead would do if they were living, Steve Jobs in life did have plenty of belief and made plenty of decisions that are perfectly inline with what we are seeing in 2026 and there is no particular reason to believe he would not just be up there with the worst of them.

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> Apple could take just 7% cut and still make 20% profits. We can say this to any company, "$X could reduce price by $Y and still make $Z profits", but it doesn't really make any sense. Making profits is what makes a company a company instead of a non-profit organization.

It does make sense to highlight, because this kind of statistic is a very strong indicator that the market is not competitive. This is not a normal kind of profit margin and basically everyone except for Apple would benefit from them lowering the margins. In normal markets there are competitors who force each other to keep reasonable profit margins and to improve their product as opposed to milking other people's har…

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Apple has already been compensated in the form of $1,000-$1,500 for the phone.

Apple was also compensated by Patreon in the form of the developer fee. This is the triple-dip attempt.

This is what I've never understood about Apple's argument that they need to be compensated for the R&D and ops costs of running the App Store. They already have this! It's the developer program fee!!

As far as I can tell it wasn't even raised in the Epic case either.

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Me? I'm working to help people get elected to Congress to help regulate this mess.

There is so much stuff that needs to get fixed in congress over this issue is even a blip on the radar.

True but people need to understand there is a wide public acceptance on this issue. No one likes big tech fleecing both users and businesses alike, people want action. If you aren't collectively organizing to exert toward this action how do you honestly expect things to get better? Because the opposition has no issue throwing hundreds of millions behind a super pac to enact the law as they see fit.

It doesn't have to be like this.

Also, contrary to current political environments, Congress is more than capable of doing multiple things as once.

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Why would you think reality shows so many people using patreon app?

I genuinely don’t know, which is why I asked. Even on mobile I only ever use the website and can see literally no benefit whatsoever to there being an app.

Notifications? Video and audio playback? Really not rocket science.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Always hated apple for their putrid business practices. Add this to the pile.

Google play store and steam are the same. This is regulatory. Hating a company for maximising profits is really something you should aim at legislation to control unchecked capitalism.

Except neither of those two are the exclusive way to install software on a computer that you own. All 3 have their issues, but Apple is uniquely bad in this way. I don't find myself Hating Steam/Valve.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Apple has an Apple Pay for Donations[1] program, which doesn't apply for rent seeking entities like Patreon. I wonder if Patreon's 10% fee is commensurate with the negligible value that they provide? [1]: https://developer.apple.com/apple-pay/nonprofits/

Did you even bother to look up what Patreon is providing for that fee?
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