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American importers and consumers bear the cost of 2025 tariffs: analysis

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Post by brianwawok »

tptacek wrote: post #727
brianwawok wrote: post #704

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Kind of, but also it’s complicated. For example, Chicago is blue blue blue. 500 miles in every direction outside the city is red. 90% of the area of Illinois is red. But Chicago is so much more massive that Illinois votes blue in the end. So what the heck region is Chicago in, and the red part of IL? I don’t know CA well but I know it’s blue with very deep red pockets.

50 miles out of Chicago will get you to red counties.

Right so what region is that? There aren’t really shared cultural values across 50 miles.

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Post by immibis »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #756
immibis wrote: post #746

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To get free stuff you have to get free stuff. Why would you manufacture stuff, at great expense, when you're getting it for free? That makes no capitalistic sense.

Because ultimately humans are not homo econonimus, and many citizens of the west won't be able to get jobs in tech/finance/services. It's a societal issue rather than a capitalist issue.

We live in a capitalism. If something makes capitalistic sense it happens, otherwise it doesn't. Stuff will not be manufactured locally at great expense when it can instead be imported for free.

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Post by DangitBobby »

phs318u wrote: post #589
cheschire wrote: post #482

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Please don't reduce decades of friendship with a person to a couple dozen words I posted on a website and think you can judge what friendship means to me. I was talking about the impact of the current state of the world on existing relationships. Stop contributing to the problem.

Who said they’re contributing to the problem? Perhaps you are by constantly downplaying what sounds like wilful ignorance on the part of your friend? Some people’s ignorance does not deserve the same respect as others’ reasoning. Your friend sounds like they enjoy trolling you.

Playing the little devil on cheshire's shoulder, I see. Maybe it's not for the best to encourage people to stop being gracious in times of high political turmoil.

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Post by DangitBobby »

immibis wrote: post #762
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #756

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because ultimately humans are not homo econonimus, and many citizens of the west won't be able to get jobs in tech/finance/services. It's a societal issue rather than a capitalist issue.

We live in a capitalism. If something makes capitalistic sense it happens, otherwise it doesn't. Stuff will not be manufactured locally at great expense when it can instead be imported for free.

Which is why everyone in the US who wants an affordable EV is currently driving a Chinese car.

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Post by [deleted] »

CalChris wrote: post #687
thrance wrote: post #609

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You're acting like Democrats are as deep in the cult of personality as Republicans are, yet outside of the most corporate liberal circles, Harris and Biden are heavily held in contempt by most of the Left.

No, Harris and Biden are not heavily held in contempt by most of the Left. I'm on the Left and voted for both of them. Indeed, as a Progressive, I was pleasantly surprised by Biden for his withdrawal from Afghanistan, student loan forgiveness, his canceling the Keystone Pipeline, etc.

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Post by mirekrusin »

matwood wrote: post #747
hallole wrote: post #564

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Yeah essentially this. In my mental model, tariffs give an advantage to domestic suppliers / penalize foreign suppliers, and thus encourage domestic production by making it more viable. And bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. has been a pretty big GOP selling point.

> And bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. has been a pretty big GOP selling point. Which is comical since the US is the #2 manufacturer in the world behind China. And that makes sense given the absolute size of China. The US manufacturing output continues to increase every year. What's not increasing are the manufacturing jobs because of automation. If there are strategic industries the US wants bolster, like mic…

> (...) Donald Trump (...) asked (...) to "get rid" of the (...) act. (...) However, as of October 2025 the Trump administration has instead preserved the Act, even adding an additional 10 percentage points to the advanced semiconductor manufacturing tax credit. (...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act

Tariffs and this act are not mutually exclusive, they can be complementary and seems both are currently in place?

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Post by oulipo2 »

Muromec wrote: post #284
oulipo2 wrote: post #253

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So you're confirming that EVERYTHING about politics in the US is just... spectacle? a show? Ideas and modeling no longer matters? What matters is that you're doing a TikTok eating a southern specialty?

It's not like the dems did either of those things. Spectacles actually matter too. You need to know which one to perform and that requires certain understanding of your audience

It shouldn't. We should have a society where we treat politics with more deference. But for that, we would need to have long-form content, actual balanced debates on public television, and fight the "attention-span economy" of social networks...

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Post by oulipo2 »

Muromec wrote: post #299
oulipo2 wrote: post #248

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I think that's wrong. The Democrat platform offered a lot. It's just that if in front of you, you have a weirdo who gives some stupid "with me, everything is free, and there's no problem" line, that is provable completely bullshit, but that your population is too uneducated (or too in a cult) to understand, then this happens... What did you want Democrat to do? Give the same lies that GOP does? then what's the endgam…

But... Mamdani offered free childcare and affordable housing and won. It's not that far from feee everything.

No, it's not "free everything", he said it clearly: it's going to be paid with taxes on the richest.

The orange idiot is pretending that it is "free everything"

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Post by PaulRobinson »

bjelkeman-again wrote: post #176
PaulRobinson wrote: post #116

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Actually, it's pretty clear to those who have been paying attention that the main influence that swung the polls by about 4% from Remain to Leave in the last 2 days was a £10m advertising campaign on Facebook packed with lies, paid for by a Brexiteer who can't quite explain to the Electoral Commission where that money came from, but it did seem to just "appear" a few days after he allegedly met with the Russian ambas…

Is it this one you are talking about? https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/public-statement...

Part of the picture, sure. I wonder where Rock Holdings Ltd got its money - PC Plod never really looked into that.

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Post by michaeldh »

brianwawok wrote: post #761
tptacek wrote: post #727

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50 miles out of Chicago will get you to red counties.

Right so what region is that? There aren’t really shared cultural values across 50 miles.

Except for nearly all of them, sure.
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