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Post by BuckRogers »

ceejayoz wrote: post #742
BuckRogers wrote: post #738

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> My "ideology" is submission to the Creator. It's not "my" ideology. > You have your ideology though. Though it's not really yours at all… Aww, we're twinsies!

You really do not add much value to any conversation you're a part of. The reading comprehension just isn't there. It remains true, my views are gained from submission to my faith. I recognize they're not my views. It's submission to our higher power. The difference is that you think your views are yours. But you're a moral relativist being manipulated. Blowing with the wind in society, you're a "cool guy". Anything goes. You wouldn't want to rock the boat on the latest thing coming out of your tribe, now would you. You might have to man up and be uncomfortable, taking an actual counter-cultural stand for once. Not happening Chris.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by NonHyloMorph »

foldr wrote: post #717
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They’re arrested and charged with appropriate offenses, e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyg3j2kvzdo.amp Renee Nicole wasn’t driving a car at anyone, but regardless, it is stupid to shoot someone who’s driving a car at you as it won’t stop the car. What you need to do in that situation is get out of the way.

The truth of that can be seen in the recordings where the car is driving away from the ICE person, till it crashes violently into a mast or something after the driver (Renee Nicole) was shot by the ICE person.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by cogman10 »

NickC25 wrote: post #676
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I'll engage. First: I do not believe immigration laws should be enforced in their entirety vis-a-vis mass deportation. Decades of flawed immigration laws, flawed employment laws and flawed enforcement have led to the current situation where millions of people are in this country undocumented, who are otherwise law-abiding, decent people who contribute to their communities and love the US. The rhetoric about immigrant…

>The rhetoric about immigrants being a drain on society are flawed at best, and hatefully wrong and bad faith at worst. Ironically all the big wealthy GOP donors all hire illegal laborers to clean their homes and mow their lawns, and to maintain the golf courses at clubs they belong to. But we can't actually have the conversation about illegal immigration get to the root causes of why immigrants are actually here , n…

> Or, even earlier, they could have backed e-Verify as federal minimum standard for all employment as far back as the 1980s. But no, let's not go after the businesses hiring illegal laborers.

Strong borders are entirely about making easy to exploit cheap labor. That's entirely the reason why neither democrats nor republicans have addressed immigration. It's also entirely the reason why the only lever being pulled is deportation.

Businesses simply love being able to say to workers "Do what we say or we'll have you deported".

This is why undocumented workers pay taxes and can get jobs, even in the reddest of states. It's not some sort of "flaw" or "impossibility" that couldn't be fixed pretty quickly.

Rightly targeted law would penalize businesses hiring undocumented workers and would protect the workers regardless of documentation status. Doing that would immediately fix any perceived problems with immigration.

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Post by tempaccountabcd »

nojvek wrote: post #691

We were worried about China using force over Uyghurs. non-white Americans are the Uyghurs now. Congress and Supreme court ought to be reigning the executive branch and enforcing citizen rights according to constitution and bill of rights.

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Post by footy »

embedding-shape wrote: post #332
CapricornNoble wrote: post #212

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Nah, free blood money was when my General Dynamics shares went from $60->$120, then did a stock split and went from $60-> ~$100. I think that was in....2005? The Stryker (a GD product) was coming into service in Iraq, which drove my purchasing decision. I was an E-4 in Korea at the time and thought I was a defense stock-picking genius.

I had to pull out of US stocks/market completely last year after I felt dirty just having money in a country sliding into authoritarianism. Interesting where different people draw different lines :)

Same. I was actually disappointed to find out my "excluding US" fund had 0.93% exposure to the US. I want it to nil.

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Post by pseudalopex »

tastyface wrote: post #743
xcskier56 wrote: post #329

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Here's an example. One of my friends works for a manufacturing company. He attended a protest. The next day ICE called his employer and he was informed that if he attended another protest he would be fired. All this b/c he had a small company logo on his jacket. The ability to en-mass record, lookup and intimidate citizens is unprecedented and while I have no hard proof that this is due to Palantir, it sure smells li…

Firing due to political activity outside of work? That sounds super illegal.

Some states protect political activity broadly. Some states protect voting solely.[1]

[1] https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/politics-...

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Post by dpc050505 »

framenotre wrote: post #349
Erem wrote: post #313

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What did the 170 citizens detained in immigration raids last year do that was illegal? If it was illegal, why were charges either dropped or never filed to begin with for the majority of these cases? If you are open to understanding why people are so upset, do your mind the favor of reading this high quality reporting on the treatment of US Citizens by ICE https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-.…

I'm sure there will be mistakes made. But it's for the collective good of the country.

It could be you.

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Post by cogman10 »

15155 wrote: post #705
haritha-j wrote: post #217

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In general, if you're working for Palantir, you're unlikely to find yourself in the right side of history. Whenever you hear of tech being used for questionable purposes, Palantir seems to have their fingers deep in the pie.

Siemens, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Krupp all seem to be doing just fine today.

All generalist businesses.

Palantir is solely a surveillance business. Like, maybe some day in the future they branch out into something that's not explicitly evil, but that seems unlikely.

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Post by NonHyloMorph »

jajuuka wrote: post #616
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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

Isn't the same true of in the EU though? Immigrants and refugees from Syria were treated quite harshly and has led to a significant rise in far right parties across Europe. These parties are actively harassing immigrants and non-white groups. But there doesn't seem to be riots in the streets over it. It's almost flipped how the US and Europe have dealt with threats. The US has a long history of organized hate groups…

We are very weary of that in Europe. I consider it to be the case thag the "Rechtsruck" (sudden movement to the right) is a global phenomenon. Alls the right extremist are orienting themselves after the model of what Trumpism is doing which at least thats true for my personally, is why I am ver y concerned of what is happening kn the US. I grew up to a jazz sax playing father to whom the culture the GI brought here was progressive and related to freedom. It feels loke that idea of the US is dead now. As to why this phenomenon is happening - i would speculate that it has to do with the polarisation that is happening in the face a ever faster progressing disintegration of the social fabric into technology accompanied by the prospect of a scarcity of resources caused by an impeding breakdown of the biosphere and the climate system with which it coevolved plus on a more local scale an extreme increase of inequality of wealth distribution.
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