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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Post by Yizahi »

throw-12-16 wrote: post #755
Yizahi wrote: post #388

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Do you realize that phones, tablets, laptops, most PCs don't have an option of "just add speakers"? You are technically correct, yes full Dolby Duper Atmo 9.2.4.8.100500 system is better. But people without them are not using their setups incorrectly, they have valid setups they have valid use case and they don't get basic level of quality which IS possible and WAS possible just a few years ago with proper channel mi…

Dude I don't care. You are trying to turn this into some ideological debate about the equity of audio mixes. If you care this much about audio just buy some better speakers ffs.

Dude, you are completely daft here, bringing some imaginary stuff like "morality" and "equity" into a technical discussion. The fact is that sound producers can easily fix stereo tracks to be legible and they actually did it for decades, before the recent hype came. And you are white knighting billionaires working for megacorps, for no discernible reason. What would happen to you personally if Nolans of the world would mix a better stereo track (which they already do anyway)? Your ego will be hurt? Or what? No one is "taking" precious Dolby Atmo from you. Better stereo tracks can exist in this world at the same time as theatrical surround tracks, surprise surprise.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Post by wazoox »

Well, TV sets defaults have been tailored for the maximum showroom impact (loud colours, flashy effects) since... about forever ?

Plus ordinary people don't give a sh*t. Most people can't see the difference between HD and 4K (remember that in developed countries, most people are over 40, and 25% overall suffer from myopia). In the 00s, people all had 16:9 TVs and watched 4:3 programs horribly stretched without batting an eye. Most Full HD large screens suffered from horrible decoding stutter late into the 2010s.

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Post by Yizahi »

Avamander wrote: post #678
Yizahi wrote: post #324

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I'm listening to a majority of video content in my stereo headphones on PC. They are good and quality of every source is good. Everything sounds fine except for some movie and some TV shows specifically. And those are atrocious in clarity. Regarding internal speakers, I have listened to several cheap to medium TVs on internal speakers, and yes on some models the sound was bad. But it doesn't matter, because the most…

Do you really expect a downmix of eight channels into two to sound super clear? New content especially comes with more channels, more channels that will get muddled into your two for output. Do you spend the effort of specifically selecting stereo tracks (or adjusting how it gets downmixed)?

> Do you spend the effort of specifically selecting stereo tracks (or adjusting how it gets downmixed)?

Umm, isn't that literally a job description of a sound engineer, who on a big production probably makes more in a year than I will do in my whole lifetime?

Is spending a few hours one time to adjust levels on a track, which will run for likely millions of hours across the world such a big ask? I think no, because not every modern movie is illegible, some producers clearly spend a bit of effort to do just that what you wrote. But some just don't care.

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Post by Avamander »

Yizahi wrote: post #763
Avamander wrote: post #678

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Do you really expect a downmix of eight channels into two to sound super clear? New content especially comes with more channels, more channels that will get muddled into your two for output. Do you spend the effort of specifically selecting stereo tracks (or adjusting how it gets downmixed)?

> Do you spend the effort of specifically selecting stereo tracks (or adjusting how it gets downmixed)? Umm, isn't that literally a job description of a sound engineer, who on a big production probably makes more in a year than I will do in my whole lifetime? Is spending a few hours one time to adjust levels on a track, which will run for likely millions of hours across the world such a big ask? I think no, because n…

> Umm, isn't that literally a job description of a sound engineer, who on a big production probably makes more in a year than I will do in my whole lifetime?

Well, if your setup is stereo then either selecting a stereo track is your job, or your job is to adjust the downmix that is done by your computer because you didn't select the stereo track.

I agree that providing a good stereo mix is the sound engineer's job, but nothing beyond that.

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Post by archerx »

dahart wrote: post #534
neom wrote: post #509

I know this sounds extreme but I get actually angry/frustrated and often just can't watch peoples TVs. I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood. I went to film school, I have emmy's, I've watched hours long conversations about frame rates and dynamic range choices and so many aspects of the creative process that the TV then..…

If TV settings offend you, you should be offended by anyone watching anything made for movie theater on a TV or iPad or - gasp - a phone, regardless of settings. And it should be offensive to watch with the lights on or windows open. ;) To be fair, 24p is crap. You know and agree with that, right? Horizontal pans in 24p are just completely unwatchable garbage, verticals aren’t that much better, action sequences in 24…

If you’re noticing stuttering on 24fps pans then someone made a mistake when setting the shutter speed (they set it too fast), the motion blur should have smoothed it out. This is an error on the cinematographer’s fault more than anything.

60fps will always look like cheap soap opera to me for movies.

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Post by Yizahi »

Avamander wrote: post #764
Yizahi wrote: post #763

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> Do you spend the effort of specifically selecting stereo tracks (or adjusting how it gets downmixed)? Umm, isn't that literally a job description of a sound engineer, who on a big production probably makes more in a year than I will do in my whole lifetime? Is spending a few hours one time to adjust levels on a track, which will run for likely millions of hours across the world such a big ask? I think no, because n…

> Umm, isn't that literally a job description of a sound engineer, who on a big production probably makes more in a year than I will do in my whole lifetime? Well, if your setup is stereo then either selecting a stereo track is your job, or your job is to adjust the downmix that is done by your computer because you didn't select the stereo track. I agree that providing a good stereo mix is the sound engineer's job, b…

> I agree that providing a good stereo mix is the sound engineer's job, but nothing beyond that.

That's the whole point of this whole thread, no one asks for anything more or out of ordinary. Stereo tracks sometimes have unreasonably bad quality. Nolan even admitted he does this on purpose.

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Post by BrokenCogs »

thesuitonym wrote: post #505
randerson wrote: post #497

I'd pay good money for a dumb 4K OLED TV that does nothing but show whatever is coming in through the HDMI port. I use a Playstation 5 for everything including Netflix, Apple TV and so on. But every time I turn on the PS5, my TV detects the Playstation and automatically changes the TV's Sound and Video modes to "Gaming", which makes dialog difficult to hear on TV. So I change the setting manually using its horrible r…

Sceptre makes them, and they're not terribly expensive, although in the US the price has gone up significantly for some strange, remote reason.

Tariffs?

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Post by mgaunard »

senordevnyc wrote: post #546
mgaunard wrote: post #488

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Hollywood movies specifically target a global audience and not just a domestic one. The US is only at most 30% of Hollywood revenue.

Haha, sounds like we’re still winning despite the “awful” accent. Hope you find some peace with it!

Imagine how much they would "win" if they got rid of their chauvinism and properly catered to their audience.

Though I'm not sure why you're personally getting pride out of global corporations making money.

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Post by hdgvhicv »

empiricus wrote: post #754
Forgeties79 wrote: post #712

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What does “like reality” mean?

It means that the colors should be correct. The sky on tv should look like the sky. The grass on tv should look like grass. If I look at the screen and then I look outside, it should look the same. HDR screens and sensors are getting pretty close, but almost everyone is using color grading so the advantage is gone. And after colors, don't get me started about motion and the 24fps abomination.

White walls in my kitchen look different depending on the time of day and weather, and that’s before I turn on the lights.

What is the correct colour?

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