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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

cdaringe wrote: post #756
deepspace wrote: post #677

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The one and only time I ever got a machine infected with malware in my 30+ years of using the internet was when I fell for Forbes.com's request to please disable my adblocker. I promptly got hit by a trojan carried in one of their unvetted ads. Browsing without an adblocker is a critical security issue, and I will drop Firefox without a second thought if they ever cripple blockers like Google did.

Tell us more about the web ad based trojan!

I am also really curious how GP was able to pinpoint the event. Or was it more, "Well this is the one weird thing I did on my machine this week."

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by gitaarik »

bjord wrote: post #48

I didn't read it that way. I read it as him acknowledging that would be a poor choice and therefore that mozilla won't do it.

Right, saying that something which is completely against the company's fundamental principles "feels off mission" gives us a very secure feeling of this CEO.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by estimator7292 »

Krasnol wrote: post #428
bluehatbrit wrote: post #259

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Google pay Mozilla hundreds of millions of dollars each year to place Google as the default browser. It's by far their biggest income stream. In 2023 it was reported as 75% of their revenue. There's no world in which 75% of your revenue coming from Google doesn't influence what you do. Even if it's not the main driver of all decisions, pissing off Google is a huge risk for them.

Soooo...there isn't.

Large sums of money are typically how we measure influence in the modern day.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by fooker »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #117

You can't kill ad-blockers in a browser, unless you don't allow running AI models in browsers (which will become very soon an integral part of your browsing usage - for some of us it already is, mostly through extension). I will one day just add "Remove all ads on the page I am browsing" into my BROWSER_AI.md file.

What could possibly go wrong?

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by AstroNutt »

mancerayder wrote: post #561
JoeJonathan wrote: post #226

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Like many others, the ability to run uBO is the main reason I use Firefox. Otherwise I'd use Chrome or Safari.

Is Brave so persona-non-grata? I find that it's a 'don't ask don't tell' because of some ancient politics. If Firefox is becoming suspect, WHAT is left? I found Chrome+adblockers NOT good enough. I like (and hate) Brave's shield, as I never figured out how to use wildcards to whitelist a whole domain / subdomain, it seems per-host. But that Brave shield WORKS. Now people are going back to Chrome? Really?

Too bad arnaud42 over on XDA Developers quit supporting Kiwi, even though was Chromium. It was my favorite browser ever for Android. Hopefully, someone will pick up the torch and keep it going soon.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by csdreamer7 »

prmph wrote: post #528
csdreamer7 wrote: post #453

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There are a few reasons: I haven't compared it in years, but Firefox's bookmark sync is better than Google's, it is a reason why I have stuck with it. I think Firefox manages hundreds of tabs better than Chrome does as far as memory usage goes. I haven't used Chrome seriously in years, but people continue to complain about how RAM hungry Chrome is so I assume it is still an issue. But Mozilla has been doing odd thing…

It's only Firefox that is never satiated with however much memory I throw at it. Any time my machine slows, the solution is to kill Firefox. Not sure what exactly they are doing wrong.

Are you sure it is not malware? When was the last time you changed the profile?

Also, I have a ton of bookmarks and as I been slowly deleting them Firefox's performance has improved. This same giant size of bookmarks Chrome seems to sync out of order causing their placement to change.

Ublock origin also does slow down the browser a bit on websites that.. don't.. have ads.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by ekianjo »

drfolgers wrote: post #629
9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #353

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> The web is unusable without a proper Adblock. It's a privacy nightmare as well. Few people reason how much data they give away to a host of shady companies just by letting ads display.

Ads and page level analytics aren’t the only thing gathering data. There is server-side now (and previously) hosted by the site owner. It’s a lost cause to fight this. I admire you all for using FF because uBO just for the experience, but it’s only a partial data block. Serverside and thumbprinting- you can’t be anonymous even with Tor, VPN, etc.

Blocking even part of it is a win. Not sure why we should treat this as a dichotomy

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by kelipso »

stephen_g wrote: post #718
LtWorf wrote: post #625

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Did you read the post? They are clearly considering doing it.

Yeah, otherwise it’d weird the new CEO had such a precise idea of the amount of money it could bring in. It makes it sound like Mozilla definitely had either considered offers from advertisers or done the maths themselves to work out potential revenue. And for the record, as a Firefox user, count me in with the others who would switch and just use Safari on my Mac if they went through with it!

Same. I use Safari even with the ads because it has the profiles thing. Only reason I use Firefox is the ad blocker.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by aryonoco »

rbits wrote: post #200
darkwater wrote: post #183

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In which country are you seeing that? For me the biggest offender are usually Google products and sometimes the lazy-coded website written by incompetents and whose audience is the tech illiterate (i.e. some websites involving schools/teaching) that just tell you "use latest Chrome just to be sure, download here" to, well, just be sure. Notable mentions for government websites that are like 10 years in the past and t…

I live in Australia and I can't log into government services using my myGov account on Firefox. Works fine on Chromium.

MyGov works fine on Firefox but I do use incognito window with no extensions for them. I’d say it’s probably one of your extensions.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by vegetable »

renewiltord wrote: post #692
Cpoll wrote: post #681

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> all I want is bug fixes and security updates.

Yes yes, I don't want updates. I just want updates. haha.

> People don’t like paying for software, demand constant updates and hate subscriptions.

constant updates

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