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With many authorities then you have as many more possibilities to break them, right? Note that the central digital ID used in e.g. Sweden is not the same as a central place for storing your private information.
Someone only needs one ID from one authority
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Someone only needs one ID from one authority
I've yet to see a description of what and how the problem with the ID occurs. And how it would be better with multiple authorities.
There are many instances throughout history of ID requirements being weaponized to suppress minority groups, from Apartheid Pass Laws, Jim Crow, or recent US suppression of minority, young, or transgender voters.
Of course, these things certainly aren't fixed by simply having more options to get a valid ID, but they are mitigated to some degree.
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>"They're in charge, surely they must know what they're doing! They wouldn't lie to us! Literally nobody thinks that. Unfortunately most people don't have the time or energy to fight every emerging attack on freedom. Everything is going to plan for the billionaire class. Eventually everything will burn, only time will tell if it will be from global warming or food riots.
>> "They're in charge, surely they must know what they're doing! They wouldn't lie to us! > Literally nobody thinks that. I'd have to disagree; I'd say this is the modal perspective.
I must live in a more rational bubble.
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Please don't engage in nationalistic battle on HN. The guidelines ask us to be kind and to avoid flamebait and using HN for political battle. Please take a moment to read the guidelines and avoid this kind of thing when participating here https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Thank you. Will keep it in mind.
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> If knives were technologically sophisticated enough that they could be programmed to refuse to pierce particular materials, you know that the government would be forcing manufacturers to include human flesh in that list I have serious doubts that their intentions are nearly as harmless or sincere as you project it. The government through DoT has repeatedly shown their willingness to control, invade, impose arbitrar…
I see how you could've got that from my comment, but I wasn't trying to imply pure intentions. Governments have to juggle a lot of different factors in order to maintain order and stay in office. It's natural that they would resort to less than scrupulous methods to attain this. To go back to the knife example, once they have established preventing the piercing of human flesh as a mandate, it would be easy to extend…
I see your point. They'll bring it in the guise of a noble intent and stealthily slip in the nefarious functions later. I agree. That's exactly what they did with Aadhar too. And that project was introduced by the current government's rival alliance too. Really shows that the entire political class is against the citizens.
> It's natural that they would resort to less than scrupulous methods to attain this.
It's a bit more serious than this. This measure has the potential to sabotage India's democracy and constitution. And there is still the whole SIM-Binding issue to deal with. These are scandals serious enough to consider the government as a hostile usurper.
> And so having these devices with their capabilities and our reliance on them is a huge hole in the defenses of freedom advocates just begging to be exploited.
Abandoning the smart phone isn't an option anymore since that would mean a serious disadvantage in this information economy. That brings me to the same point as another comment of mine: We need fully user-controlled devices. We should be able to install and uninstall what we want, or even wipe it clean and start from scratch. And no hidden rings or blobs either.
We need to start demanding that this be established in the law of the land. Nothing less will be a step forward against such power greedy crowd.
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Actually Visa and MasterCard used their position to influence on business like Steam or Pornhub.
They wield way too much power. I've never understood what happened with American Express and Diners Club. These used to be major credit cards which have gone into heavy decline.
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The fundamental proposition on which all of English culture flows from is that of innocence . For example, in court, you do not have to prove your innocence because you are presumed innocent. In the case of ID cards and the like, the state does not rule over the populace, it rules on behalf of the populace. I am innocent and they work for me . Hence, I do not have to prove to some random government agent who I am unl…
> The fundamental proposition on which all of English culture flows from is that of innocence. Is this not true in all highly advanced democracies? One thing I have found true (and somewhat different from other countries), when UK folks talk about how they view the police, it is generally beneficial. (Don't throw your tomatoes at me just yet!) Versus other countries, the police are viewed as more neutral or negative…
> Is this not true in all highly advanced democracies?
Been to Japan?
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The fundamental proposition on which all of English culture flows from is that of innocence . For example, in court, you do not have to prove your innocence because you are presumed innocent. In the case of ID cards and the like, the state does not rule over the populace, it rules on behalf of the populace. I am innocent and they work for me . Hence, I do not have to prove to some random government agent who I am unl…
This theory mixes up the distinct concepts of the government, as a trusted entity (where applicable), issuing identity document for the use of its citizens (including in person-to-person or person-to-private-company scenarios), and that of the government requiring its citizens to identify themselves to it on demand . Sure, its slightly harder to have a government issue credentials to everybody and not have them abuse…
I don't agree that there is any such mix up, you'd need to point to the actual mix up.
> Sure, its slightly harder to have a government issue credentials to everybody and not have them abuse the possibilities that come with it, but if a society can pull it of, there are vast benefits in many areas of life.
There are lots of things that may benefit the group at the expense of individuals, but that is exactly why any group that values individual liberty should be opposed to it.
> On top of that, the flip side of people regularly not carrying any identification documents seems to be a police force much more eager to arrest people on the spot to figure out their identity.
The police in the UK aren't allowed to arrest people simply for not providing ID, and they are sued and lose when they do. I used to enjoy watching the Crimebodge account on Youtube where there are plenty of such scenarios. It's especially fun watching teenagers who know the law frustrate authoritarian rozzers.
So no, the way to lower the risk of the police arresting people for not having ID is to make not having ID a normal thing and increase the rights the individual has against persecution by the police.
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The fundamental proposition on which all of English culture flows from is that of innocence . For example, in court, you do not have to prove your innocence because you are presumed innocent. In the case of ID cards and the like, the state does not rule over the populace, it rules on behalf of the populace. I am innocent and they work for me . Hence, I do not have to prove to some random government agent who I am unl…
Successive governments have been determined to change this. A good current example is the Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill which very much is based on the idea that the state, rather than parents, is primarily responsible for children. The Online Safety Act reflects much the same thinking. I think there has been a cultural change. Both from the state, and from people who expect to be told what to do to a greater…