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Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by righthand »

BaconPackets wrote: post #560
dmitrygr wrote: post #542

Pardon count per president: President Count -------------------------------- Joe Biden ~8,064 | Donald Trump ~237 | Barack Obama ~1,927 | George W. Bush ~200 | Bill Clinton ~459 | George H.W. Bush ~77 |

This is meaningless without context.

Not attacking you but using your message to say to anyone reading: Is there a lesson here about what our AI future looks like? The OG thread comment is using summarized information to induce anxiety. When everyone has a 'suped-up AI bot running around the net for them, how much more noise like this is there going to be? How many people will have armies?

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by tguvot »

kelnos wrote: post #735
unethical_ban wrote: post #703

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. We might have been the first PC, but we're running windows 3.11 while the rest of the world runs a new OS. We need ranked or approval voting, elimination of gerrymandering. Strongly prefer elimination of Citizens United and the Senate.

Unfortunately, eliminating the Senate (or more precisely, each state's equal representation in the Senate) is the one and only thing that the constitution forbids an amendment from doing (see Article V, Section 5): > Provided that no Amendment [...] no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate. (Awkward ellipsizing, but the elided text is another thing that's not allowed, which…

clarifying/limiting presidential power and ending lifetime appointments for federal/supreme court judges could be useful

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by enraged_camel »

harrisi wrote: post #758
hshdhdhehd wrote: post #345

Poor drug dealers: Extrajudicial murder in international waters. Rich drug dealers: Freedom. Be a rich drug dealer.

Is there any proof that any of the Venezuelan boats were drug dealers? Any proof in court, ideally?

There is not.

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Post by ls612 »

miohtama wrote: post #346

For the accurate context: CZ was pardoned for a single charge of failure to have an effective compliance program. No fraud, no victims, no criminal history. No money laundering. CZ is the first and only known first-time offender in U.S. history to receive a prison sentence for this single, non-fraud-related charge. The judge found no evidence that he knew of any illicit transactions and that it was reasonable for him…

In china the party just declares people it wants to imprison guilty. In the US we have “compliance”. Both serve the same purpose against the people.

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Post by rayiner »

eqvinox wrote: post #562
dylan604 wrote: post #311

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Which congress do you want doing that review? The past several congresses have been unqualified to do any sort of constitutional reviewing in my opinion.

The U.S. is running an outdated installation of democracy. The French approach of just rebooting and reinstalling the entire thing seems like a good idea at this point. Except the populace is already badly split into warring camps.

The U.S. is VMS. France is BeOS. The former actually does work regardless of how kludgy it is.

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Post by hackyhacky »

opello wrote: post #759
hackyhacky wrote: post #738

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Changpeng Zhao broke the law and got caught. Everyone agrees on that. What you present above is revisionist history about "political persecution," which is the favorite justification of the current administration for pardoning convicted felons, even in the total absence of any evidence supporting a conclusion of political persecution. See also George Santos, J6 rioters, etc. I don't think it's really necessary to pre…

Is there a place for a logical counter-point in there not having been charges against people responsible for the 2008 financial crisis? It seems like a selective enforcement of rules or consequences in both situations to me.

Your argument is a non sequitur. You are saying in essence: "Someone, somewhere, under totally different circumstances was not prosecuted. Therefore, this particular prosecution is selective prosecution, and therefore inappropriate." By that logic, we should just stop prosecuting crimes altogether, on the logic that we are unable to prosecute all crimes consistently.

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Post by [deleted] »

Terr_ wrote: post #657
noisy_boy wrote: post #647

There should be a limit on the number of pardons a president can do during their tenure so that they have to at least think a bit before using it. It is a very powerful tool that actually allows a last resort. But this kind of egregious abuse of it's power means it needs to be kept in check.

> There should be a limit There is, and the Constitution says the limit is impeachment and removal from office by Congress. That won't happen unless we fix how we talk about the ones responsible, to wit: The Republican Party pardoned these criminals. The Republican Party is snatching Americans off the streets. The Republican Party is using the military to murder people on boats. The Republican Party is demolishing do…

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Spivak wrote: post #115
genter wrote: post #99

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Yes. (And I say that as a Democrat in California)

It really does seem like folks on the right assume that people who vote Democrat have a lot more love for Democrats than we actually do. The whole Bill Clinton in the Epstein files thing is another example—like yeah man let him hang. There's very little loyalty, there's some truth to the party being a bunch of minorities nervously huddled around the DNC for warmth.

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Post by hiddencost »

opello wrote: post #759
hackyhacky wrote: post #738

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changpeng Zhao broke the law and got caught. Everyone agrees on that. What you present above is revisionist history about "political persecution," which is the favorite justification of the current administration for pardoning convicted felons, even in the total absence of any evidence supporting a conclusion of political persecution. See also George Santos, J6 rioters, etc. I don't think it's really necessary to pre…

Is there a place for a logical counter-point in there not having been charges against people responsible for the 2008 financial crisis? It seems like a selective enforcement of rules or consequences in both situations to me.

They should be charged too. Every conviction for financial crimes is an incredibly hard fought victory, because this country runs on fraud. Your argument is why we should treasure CZs conviction and seek many many many more like it.

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Post by almosthere »

yongjik wrote: post #143
Spivak wrote: post #115

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It really does seem like folks on the right assume that people who vote Democrat have a lot more love for Democrats than we actually do. The whole Bill Clinton in the Epstein files thing is another example—like yeah man let him hang. There's very little loyalty, there's some truth to the party being a bunch of minorities nervously huddled around the DNC for warmth.

It's also a rhetorical trick. The moment you admit "Yes, Bill Clinton should go to jail if he's on the list," they will start to pester you, "You admitted Clinton should also go to jail, so why are you only protesting Trump? You hypocrite!" I think it's best not to engage. These people aren't here for logical arguments, and they won't be persuaded by logic.

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