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Post by debesyla »

bonoboTP wrote: post #751
mallowdram wrote: post #678

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There are no world models in there, it's trained on arbitrary images/sequences. There are no world models in us, we learn from only specifics in topological space, stitched together in sharp wave ripples. Everything is from detached memories working through optic flow. That's not a world model, it's not even a model. It's an analog. This whole world model thing is another branding phase after language models failed t…

The point is that video generation is not the goal in itself. Just like classifying photos as cat vs dog wasn't the goal in 2013. I know that Sora 2 is not a world model. But what's coming is: Vision-language-action models and planning, spatial AI (SLAM with semantics and 3D reconstruction with interactability and affordance detection). Video diffusion models, photo-to-gaussian-splats, video-to-3D (e.g. from Hunyuan)…

I wonder what is this fascination with human shaped robots, if spider shaped robots could be more dexterous and productive.

(Unless it's sci-fi and porn that is mainly pushing for human shaped robots.)

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Post by smartmic »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #742
morleytj wrote: post #496

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

Steelmanning? It's infinite content, meaning our customers will never run out of new and interesting videos to watch, which will inspire them to feed prompts into our systems too and have it generate more videos. Money can be generated from multiple angles; we can charge a premium for generating videos beyond a small free tier once we've hooked the prompters, we can offer people or companies the option to promote the…

Social media is also a wonderful tool for influencing participants and controlling them in the long term. In other words, behind the economic purposes there is a darker, more profound effect that is dangerous in the hands of a few powerful players. In the case of TikTok, that would be the Chinese state. Why shouldn't US Big Tech also be interested in this kind of power, in addition to the extra revenue?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by bonoboTP »

debesyla wrote: post #761
bonoboTP wrote: post #751

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The point is that video generation is not the goal in itself. Just like classifying photos as cat vs dog wasn't the goal in 2013. I know that Sora 2 is not a world model. But what's coming is: Vision-language-action models and planning, spatial AI (SLAM with semantics and 3D reconstruction with interactability and affordance detection). Video diffusion models, photo-to-gaussian-splats, video-to-3D (e.g. from Hunyuan)…

I wonder what is this fascination with human shaped robots, if spider shaped robots could be more dexterous and productive. (Unless it's sci-fi and porn that is mainly pushing for human shaped robots.)

The built environment fits the human form factor well. Imitation learning and intuitive teleoperation is also easier. But it won't be the only form factor. The quadruped form (like Spot) is also popular, as well as drones etc.

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Post by icemelt8 »

MattRix wrote: post #721
echelon wrote: post #628

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Welcome to the future, where the notion of "classics" is just a point in the memetic information manifold: https://x.com/theo/status/1973167911419412985 (Music video with Sam Altman as Skibidi Toilet) This is pretty fun. These keep getting wilder and wilder: https://x.com/MatthewBerman/status/1973115097339011225 (Kinda gross) https://x.com/cloud11665/status/1973115723309515092 (Japanese) It can do cartoons: https://x…

That movie trailer isn’t made with Sora (or AI at all, as far as I can tell?)

you are right, its an actual movie called Planet

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Post by ionwake »

unfitted2545 wrote: post #367
ionwake wrote: post #277

I think HN is too political like this tech is clearly amazing and it’s great they shipped it there should be more props even if it’s a billion dollar company.

There's a great lyric from ELUCID I think about when people say stuff like this: > I don't have the privilege to think everything ain't political

i guess what I am saying is, though everything is political, it doesn't ahve to be "so" political.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by ionwake »

sailingparrot wrote: post #296
ionwake wrote: post #277

I think HN is too political like this tech is clearly amazing and it’s great they shipped it there should be more props even if it’s a billion dollar company.

Yes the tech is amazing. But tech is not everything, after 20 years of social media, its pretty clear to everyone that those things can have large long term impact both positive and negative for society, discussing the potential impacts of the tech is not being "political", its just being interested in the future.

Im not sure, what if society only learns through hardships?

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Post by bflesch »

rhetocj23 wrote: post #408
bflesch wrote: post #357

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Good point. I think OpenAI lacks the cultural understanding that tiktok is providing their users not only with entertainment but also social things like trends, reviews, gossip, self-expression. These aspects are not included in the sora experience.

This is going to sound crass but idc - OAI is just full of geeks, when what is needed is people who are more akin to hippies - thats pretty much what Apple was in the early days. Its no use building technology when its not married with the humanities and liberal arts.

IMO you're making a valid point, because there seems to be a disconnect between AI and tangible human benefits. The ChatGPT-as-therapy train has been nerfed after the bad publicity, and it is force-fed to people at their workplaces through copilot.

I assume if you ask normal people how AI affects their lifes they'd think about annoying callcenter menus, deep fake porn and propaganda videos, and getting homework done. Not sure if any of this is a positive experience for the mind.

It's 2025 and most speech controls for car navigation don't work, Siri is a pile of sh*t and millionaires are trying to convince us that we should either use their AI or a google which has significantly reduced the quality of their search result pages.

It's like a false choice dilemma which allows back-to-the-roots companies such as Kagi to emerge, and I'm happy about it.

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Post by uncircle »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

I’ve been in an existential crisis after reading Postman and I’ve since reframed the whole dilemma thusly: one of the highest aspirations for a person is the act of creation, and the result one can often call art.

What is wrong is instead the routine consumption of art created by others in a stupor to rest from the drudgery of daily work.

Create art, don’t waste your life consuming.

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Post by latexr »

janalsncm wrote: post #512
latexr wrote: post #446

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At that point, why even buy the clothes? Influencers will just post the video of the mockup on social media, which is the only reason they were considering it in the first place. Save themselves the foot fungus. https://xcancel.com/Naija_PR/status/1904809073356251634 Then take the next step. Why even spend money going out? Generate a video of yourself with fake friends at a party and post that, while eating ice cream…

Because food still tastes good whether or not it looks good. There are other sources of happiness than online validation.

I was criticising and making a joke prediction about the practice, not suggesting you actually do it.

I agree with you regarding online validation. I would even go so far as saying that depending on online validation or fame in general for happiness is unhealthy and anyone who does should make it a priority to find alternative sources.

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Post by ares623 »

Jensson wrote: post #703
bnop wrote: post #451

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Taking the time and effort out of something is exactly what strips it of its beauty Beauty is not just an “idea” that someone has and needs to get out onto a medium It is a process and journey that a person undergoes to get said idea onto said medium That journey often plays out very differently than the person expects. Things change, the art is different from the idea, and the person learns and grows Our modern soci…

So landscapes are not beautiful?

You think landscapes are created in an instant?
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