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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by boruto »

heyheyhouhou wrote: post #192

Iranian IPs are blocked here, due to your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civilians. I always find amusing how the west always blames the people of the rivals "iranians", the "chinese", etc but when something is wrong with their side they blame an entity to detach themselves "the american government", "this administration", "nazi germany", etc

Apparently https://www.grepular.com/ is from UK. Wonder how feels if people start blaming him for colonialism.

Govt proscribing access by law is something, but I cannot imagine a guy going out of the way to put ipblocks.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by kelnos »

reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

> It would be much more productive to try turn the army against the regime, or organize political and armed resistance.

The current government of Iran is a direct result of the US's meddling in this way, so I'm not convinced this is a winning strategy either.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by sporkxrocket »

vorpalhex wrote: post #759
sporkxrocket wrote: post #694

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Incorrect, Israel killed an entire American family: https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military/four-am... DHS nor the IDF are credible sources and neither have backed up their claims. That’s pure propaganda on their end.

Ah yes, The Daily Express, well known and very solid source. Here's CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/21/middleeast/israeli-strike-leb... Also from The Daily Express: Cinnamon cures Alzheimers: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/common-kitchen-spice-... What time is Rapture today: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/what-time-is-rapture-... and no less than eight stories about the Presley family: https://www.ms…

The CNN article is just parroting IDF propaganda about the killings being “disputed” (by the murderers) with zero proof to back up that assertion.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by kelnos »

sfn42 wrote: post #145
reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

People always say stuff like this, but from my pov it doesn't matter what the populace thinks. They are directly supporting their government with everything they do. They are producing goods and services, they are the army, they are the government, the people are the country. They have the power to choose who rules them if they want to. Nobody else does. Iranians are responsible for Iran's actions just like Russians…

Actually, the US is responsible for Iran's actions. We're the ones who meddled in their government and pushed them to the point they're at today.

Regardless, it's laughable to think that regular Iranian citizens are just as responsible for their theocratic dictatorship as Americans are for the US's (crumbling) representative democracy. Those two things are not the same at all. Your average Iranian has zero influence over what the Iranian government does. The average American... put Trump in office, either by voting for him or by abstaining.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by drnick1 »

figmert wrote: post #593
1234letshaveatw wrote: post #578

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Every international body had checked, and confirmed that Iran had no intention of building nuclear weapons. Even to this day. Even after what Israel and US did. Netanyahu has been saying Iran in minutes away from building nuclear weapons since early 2010s. Never mind those facts. Let's say they are building weapons. What gives the US the right to build enough nuclear weapons that they could destroy the world multiple…

"Every international body had checked, and confirmed that Iran had no intention of building nuclear weapons."

That's obviously nonsense. Why would the Iranians build secret underground facilities to refine uranium if it wasn't for building nuclear weapons? An oil-rich country does not need civilian nuclear power. Even if they wanted nuclear reactors, they could make a deal with the U.S. and buy the fuel rods in exchange for oil.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tgma »

YC984983427 wrote: post #738
tgma wrote: post #699

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If you are referring to the Mosadegh story, that “apology” started with Bill Clinton and Madeline Albright trying to appease the current regime in Iran. Sadly, the “apology” itself is meddling with the historical facts. The Mosadegh government was no more or no less democratic than any other Prime Minister in that era. He had prorogued the parliament and waged a war against the Constitution and tried to elevate himse…

Proroguing in parliaments is nothing new or anti-democratic. Canada had its parliament prorogued for the first 4 months of this year yet I didn't see calls for violent US-backed regime change and political suppression like there was under the American puppet Shah. Same with deposing a monarch (getting rid of monarchy is "anti-democratic" now?). More information on the "Iranian golden age of prosperity" you mentioned:…

> Proroguing in parliaments is nothing new or anti-democratic.

He prorogued the parliament and was calling for a referendum to overthrow the monarchy against the Constitution. He was terminated by the monarch per Constitution, but he would not leave the post which resulted in uprising from both sides.

> During that time two monarchs — Reza Shah Pahlavi and his son Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi — employed secret police, torture, and executions to stifle political dissent. The Pahlavi dynasty has sometimes been described as a "royal dictatorship",[1] or "one-man rule".

Yeah if you read biased and debunked media and the Mullah supporters and comrades[1] (which is the source of Wokipedia) during the Cold War era, and by the way both sides conspired to get rid of the monarch for different reasons, you might believe such propaganda. If you'd talk to the actual industrious people who experienced it, you might get a very different perspective. Double digit annual GDP growth, #1 is number of international students in the US (not per capita, absolute.) So yes, golden era, indisputably.

[1] Interestingly, we see the same Marxist-Islamist alliance has now hit the West.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by andreyvit »

EmiDub wrote: post #651

Can someone give me an explanation for why Mike Cardwell, who lives in the UK, blocks Iranian IPs for “your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civilians.” but does not block US or UK IPs for their decision to arm Israel? The answer would seem to me to be racism – he values Ukrainian lives more than Palestinians and considers non-white citizens in non-democratic countries res…

I’m not sure if you’re actually asking or not, but in case you want to hear an answer, it’s because Israel is considered to be defending itself after a horrible attack, not that dissimilar to Ukraine really in some people’s view (me included). This goes back to a worldview where residents of a country share a portion of the blame for their country’s actions. This view is not universal, but has a certain mindshare (again, myself included), and if you imagine it fair for residents of a place to share the fate caused by the cumulative actions of that place, it’s not a big stretch to see how Israel’s actions can be considered natural and just by some, and so can the sanctions against residents of Iran and Russia.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by kelnos »

sfn42 wrote: post #567
4gotunameagain wrote: post #506

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> they should peacefully replace the government This screams privilege. I wish you never experience oppression, but please try to understand you privilege.

You're clearly not being very charitable in your interpretation of things I say so I'm just going to end the conversation here because I'm not interested in endlessly clarifying basic things like what I mean when I say "Ideally". Obviously I'm not suggesting that it's easy or even possible. Though I also don't think we can completely rule out the possibility of a peaceful revolution. Stranger things have happened. An…

> You're clearly not being very charitable in your interpretation of things I say so I'm just going to end the conversation here because I'm not interested in endlessly clarifying basic things like what I mean when I say "Ideally".

I agree that the person you're replying to is getting a bit testy, but I think it's a bit justified, as you're being a bit obtuse here.

"Ideally" is irrelevant. We're not talking about ideal cases in these threads, so to bring up that word feels disingenuous. Yes, ideally people in a country where their government is doing bad things can peacefully replace their government with another one that won't do bad things.

But in practice, where in the world does that actually exist? Basically nowhere? So what's the point in bringing it up?

> Though I also don't think we can completely rule out the possibility of a peaceful revolution.

That's a bunch of weasel-word language. Sure, you can't "completely" rule out anything. But for most (all?) of the places under discussion, there's something like a 0.001% chance of that happening, which is far below the threshold of not even bothering to bring up the possibility.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by kelnos »

tgma wrote: post #158
sfn42 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People always say stuff like this, but from my pov it doesn't matter what the populace thinks. They are directly supporting their government with everything they do. They are producing goods and services, they are the army, they are the government, the people are the country. They have the power to choose who rules them if they want to. Nobody else does. Iranians are responsible for Iran's actions just like Russians…

This is an extremely important, often overlooked, point. I also know of many "educated Iranians" living in the US who voice their opinion as GP suggests, and are self-proclaimed to be anti-regime. However, they travel to Iran to visit family and friends twice a year and take an iPhone or two on their way to gift them, directly benefiting the Mullah's system. I don't think a jew would have gone back to Nazi Germany to…

What a weird take. Family is important; I think it's a great thing that these people can maintain their family ties and even visit them. Hell, this is a great avenue to bring outside perspectives into the country.

Not sure how bringing a family member an iPhone is "benefiting the Mullah's system". It's a rounding error. And those family members are well aware that they can't get an iPhone in the usual way.

> I don't think a jew would have gone back to Nazi Germany to visit family

They might, though, despite the risk! And this isn't really a great comparison, since a Jewish person visiting Nazi Germany to visit family would run a high risk of being found out and sent to a camp (along with the family they're visiting) and killed. I don't think that sort of thing would likely be the case for an Iranian expat visiting family in Iran.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by kelnos »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #162
reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

People here make it easy on themselves by blaming everything on "the government," but you should never underestimate the level of brainwashing. According to independent polls, it's more like 50% of Iranians still support their government. And it used to be closer to 80% a few years ago. I was lucky enough to be born into one of the wealthier nations, and our trust levels are much lower, despite our government doing n…

> The better educated people are, the less likely they are to blindly trust authority.

And on the flip side of that, the less educated people are, the more susceptible they are to propaganda.

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