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Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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We still have (hopefully) a democratic choice how this plays out, so the distinction between left/right is meaningful regarding political overreach (beyond the stereotypes propagandists like to attach). If you are arguing that the left is identical to the right in that regard, you truly deserve your downvotes. I mean ... leftist censorship-cancelation for no good reason.

You are not understanding that the whole left/right distinction you see is just you seeing what is put before you so you will be engaged in a meaningless feud that is just as meaningless as the sport you watch and that team you really care about. It was long ago figured out that "democracy" is a far more effective tool for managing the mindless masses through "choice" and participation ... in choices they are provided, both more or less being acceptable to the ruling cabal. Trump was clearly a kind of upset of that system for reasons and causes that are too big to go into right now, but it is precisely why the same left/right leaders were perfectly fine with uniting in their opposition to Trump, demonstrating momentarily how fake and meaningless their opposition to each other is.

I could not care less what peasants vote on some website simply because they don't like hearing the truth and it conflicts with their programming. That sounds like a you problem that you get some kind of impotent satisfaction from seeing the peasant mob down voting my comment as if that would change anything about reality.

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As long as it stays to the level of "Hey, doesn't this violate your rules?" I think the government has the same right to press the report button, or even to write an email equivalent to pressing report a bunch of times, as anyone else does. I'm not aware that a Democrat government arrested anyone for not complying with these emails.

Are you suggesting it's okay for the government to push for censoring specific content only when it also happens to break the rules of a site? How is the flag button equivalent to the White House writing emails to Twitter and Meta? It seems the latter would have a lot more priority than my personal measly attempts at pressing the flag button on something I didn't like

Yeah it certainly looked bad. And it gave cover for the new administration to just pretend the first amendment doesn't exist.

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Your support for the continued existence of the state of Israel is plenty cause to sue. You really should be careful as you now have even larger legal exposure given the UN has concluded Israel is committing genocide. Bad things happen to people that continue to support genocidal regimes, legally speaking.

This conversation is over, as you simply don't know what you're talking about. I would strongly advise you to seek counsel when it comes to legal matters.

I accept your surrender.

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> No American gets to vote on this and those who thought they were voting against it actually voted for the person most likely to enable it. Hence zero sovereignty You're mixing up sovereignty with direct democracy. We're a republic. We have total sovereignty when it comes to geopolitics. None of that requires Americans voting on foreign policy issues, which in reality, given even informed Americans' international li…

I know Israel sees its future as a regional, and perhaps global, kingmaker. The fulcrum upon which the multipolar world balances and that this is an attractive proposition to them. But it’ll be entering into a world with a combination of circumstances that have never happened before, which I think is one hell of a risk, a risk that has a good chance of ending disastrously for them, let alone the rest of the world. An…

> a combination of circumstances that have never happened before, which I think is one hell of a risk, a risk that has a good chance of ending disastrously for them, let alone the rest of the world. And what should happen to them if they fail

Geopolitically, if America is becoming an unreliable security guarantor, they have no choice. They don't need to be bombing Gaza into oblivion. But they do need to establish the precedent that they can intervene with force in the region at their discretion.

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The GOP is still more incompetent than anything I've ever seen. Bullying, yes. Competency, no.

So incompetent that they control all three branches of the most powerful government on earth. Much of that can be credited to their media ownership strategies. Underestimate them at your own peril...

The firehose of falsehoods is a very successful propaganda technique, rediscovered ( or teached to ) by a guy that needed a fake public image ( see: you're fired) to hide all his public bankruptcies/failures.

Eg. they are very stupid at winning lawsuitts, but he had 4 years of training on who and what to bully and another 4 years to prepare.

A lot of stupid people turned a democracy into an autocracy ( Orban, ... ). It's easy if no one protests and you can give money to the rich and powerful.

It's amazing that this guy/administration grifts so publicly and a lot of people in the US just keep following him blindly.

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I know Israel sees its future as a regional, and perhaps global, kingmaker. The fulcrum upon which the multipolar world balances and that this is an attractive proposition to them. But it’ll be entering into a world with a combination of circumstances that have never happened before, which I think is one hell of a risk, a risk that has a good chance of ending disastrously for them, let alone the rest of the world. An…

> a combination of circumstances that have never happened before, which I think is one hell of a risk, a risk that has a good chance of ending disastrously for them, let alone the rest of the world. And what should happen to them if they fail Geopolitically, if America is becoming an unreliable security guarantor, they have no choice. They don't need to be bombing Gaza into oblivion. But they do need to establish the…

Let me know when they’ve defeated the Houthis because so far that plan isn’t working, and that’s with US support.

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#767

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As long as it stays to the level of "Hey, doesn't this violate your rules?" I think the government has the same right to press the report button, or even to write an email equivalent to pressing report a bunch of times, as anyone else does. I'm not aware that a Democrat government arrested anyone for not complying with these emails.

Are you suggesting it's okay for the government to push for censoring specific content only when it also happens to break the rules of a site? How is the flag button equivalent to the White House writing emails to Twitter and Meta? It seems the latter would have a lot more priority than my personal measly attempts at pressing the flag button on something I didn't like

I'm just as entitled as Joe Biden to write an email to Elon saying he should ban the following rule-breaking posts.

I've written emails to HN moderators like that before.

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We still have (hopefully) a democratic choice how this plays out, so the distinction between left/right is meaningful regarding political overreach (beyond the stereotypes propagandists like to attach). If you are arguing that the left is identical to the right in that regard, you truly deserve your downvotes. I mean ... leftist censorship-cancelation for no good reason.

You are not understanding that the whole left/right distinction you see is just you seeing what is put before you so you will be engaged in a meaningless feud that is just as meaningless as the sport you watch and that team you really care about. It was long ago figured out that "democracy" is a far more effective tool for managing the mindless masses through "choice" and participation ... in choices they are provide…

How do you know my perception of politics? Have i put some pronouns somewhere in my bio?

> left/right distinction you see, as meaningless as sport

> managing the mindless through "choice" and participation

I dont really know where to start to tackle this mess. To me, it appears to be a wild mix of delusion and cluelesness ... so, what to adress first.

Lets start with the basics. A left leaning ideology revolves around wealth distribution and not some identity politics (IP) of LGBTQ-whatev. The IP part on both sides is what you rightfully call political theater, but again, only caring about some minority does not make one a leftist. Reducing the left to only that is dumb but necessary for the right. This IP label is the propaganda vehicle used to distract from very important, system shaking, actual political issues. Gullible people get caught by emotions to hook them on simple answers. Like the "degenerates" teaching kids or "gangs" migrating to the US. Its always the same fascistic playbook, construct a dislikable enemy -- bc disgust is a strong emotion and source of bias to blur your reasoning, exclude all contradicting complexities -- like migrants being statistically less criminal, agitate the masses based on that and then take out any (reasonable) opposition by crying around that you are the actual victim here, to obscure your retaliation. Does this sound like trump to you?

When soft power (propaganda) fails, you can turn to any history book how much uncle sam disagrees with you about the "meaningless left", because leftist wealth distribution challenges power structures beyond the political stage, where the players reside, that had been corrupting US politics for longer then the US fucked up latin america. You can see it in real time today, how the democrats turn on NY mayor candidate Mamdani because of his "communist" NY rent freeze. Calling such leftist central, decades old, factual and non-IP ambition meaningless is a strong indicator of political cluelessness and i bet, the right will use some form of force to stop the islamo-communist (please tell me you got the IP-labeling here). Trump already talked about cooperating with democrats and even deporting Mamdani but i think that openly fascistic demasking is reserved for the trump 2028 campaign.

Besides actual political ideals beyond IP, there is also the existing power structures, you called cabal, that you didnt get.

> the same left/right leaders were perfectly fine with uniting in their opposition to Trump

How many right wingers turned on trump exactly? If id compare them side by side, i think there are more conservatives that called trump hitler/alike but boot licked their way back into the cabal later (vance, RFK!) then there are conservatives that turned on trump today. This indicator of opportunistic politicians is also a good sign for political shallowness, aka political theater performed by well paid actors.

The power structure you somehow missed is where the F that money comes from, that corrupts politics and is needed to keep the gullible pondering about their forced uppon pronouns (also IP, just in case you missed that too).

The very first thing trump did in both terms where tax cuts esp. for the wealthy, which is a strong signal for the parasites to throw more monet at him but a big nono from a leftist position bc the system favored the rich and sucked on the working class for even longer than US politics got corrupted by big capital and even longer then the US fucked up latin america. The results of all that societal development is a shrinking and increasingly desperate middle class and billionares buying big media to cure the "woke mind virus". For these dipshits, thats the biggest concern while ordinary people cannot live off of two jobs, let alone support a family.

And here you are, calling the left meaningless bc you cant think outside of / see through the IP.

> I could not care less what peasants vote on

is a very fitting intro to conclude your bullshit ... until you realize that working peasants are the ones keeping us all afloat.

Maybe the reason you turn away from the right too is, that you developed a tolerance for the current, digust driven out-group the tribalistic right also revolves around -- you had been disappointed by shallow right leaning politics too often. But dont worry, theyll push out an update eventually and it all begins anew, bc you might be turned off by the right atm, but you are propably turned away even further from anything meaningful.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Key details: 1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users. 2. 80% owned by a U.S. investor consortium led by Oracle, Silver Lake, and Andreessen Horowitz, 20% by Bytedance. 3. Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director. 4. All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US. 5. Algorithm will be initially licensed, but has to be reengineered to comp…

This seems like the microwaved corpse of the original 2020 deal. Bytedance keeps all the IP, sells Oracle the nearly worthless right to operate the US infra. They can't even call their franken-app Tiktok. The US user data already sits in the US but they'll expect everyone to forget about that so they can brag about this token win. They'll probably get what they really want, which is an admin console for the algorithm…

Reich? You need to check the background of those involved in the deal.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

#770
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No, this is just in your head. You might still have 40-year-old instincts from when the authoritarian right was in charge, both in institutions and in social norms, but it's been the authoritarian left for 20 years. Any discussion that engages in spreading stereotypes, rather than debating ideas, is just part of the problem.

You're not making sense. People on the right actively spread stereotypes, racist cliches, and other antisocial, pro-violent opinions that they call the truth and won't budge on their opinion, but as soon as a leftist calls someone with actual authoritarian viewpoints a nazi they are the problem for spreading stereotypes and not debating ideas? lmfao

> but as soon as a leftist calls someone with actual authoritarian viewpoints a nazi

The left en masse has been doing this for 10 years, and for far less that "authoritarian viewpoints".

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