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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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I see a lot of comments here are about how other countries should react to this designation, rightfully so. I wonder also though, how Israel will react. Is this anything new for them?

Same cards they always play: - our enemies are Hamas sympathisers - our enemies are secretly Hamas members OR - it's antisemitism

One look at the victims (or their mangled remains) immediately discounts all three.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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In the US, both parties were supportive in the last election. Not many choices.

couldnt you instead, run for government? if its something voters care about, either youll win, or the competing candidates will change their tune

The parties have already decided their position on a variety of issues so if you're going to get nominated for the party you'll be against them on that issue.

And the system is designed to exclude independents. The last nationally visible "I" candidate was roughly H Ross Perot. The system made sure that didn't happen again.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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So what? The fact that Hamas or its supporters produce fake anti-Israel propaganda doesn't mean that Israel isn't committing genocide. To suggest so is to engage in the fallacy of composition ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition ): (1) "Hamas produces a lot of fake anti-Israel propaganda" -> (2) "All anti-Israel evidence is fake" -> (3)"Israel is not committing genocide". You can't reach conclusion…

You: "Look at these videos showing genocide in Gaza!" Him: "Those videos are demonstrably fake." You: "Doesn't matter!" Are you sure that's the right fallacy?

This fake?

https://www.reuters.com/pictures/aerial-photos-show-scale-de... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/05/wasteland-rubb...

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Amnesty International, The International Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, numerous other human rights organizations and world governments all say the same thing: genocide. To deny this is to say that you believe all of those groups are wrong and it is actually Netanyahu, Trump, Biden and Harris, along with their cronies in congress are correct. It is a position that cannot be defended logically.

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I do not support mass murder, that's correct. If that's what you call consensus morality then I'm not ashamed to be in the consensus.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Comments on this post are disabled for new accounts, but in the era of anti-BDS regulation and other measures aimed specifically at curtailing practical freedom of speech surrounding this conflict, can we really comment freely on this without anonymity? The vast majority (38/50) of US states have passed some form of anti-BDS legislation. We can also expect corporate retaliation against employees who speak about this…

I think it's a legitimate worry, but I don't think using our old accounts give us any less protections than throwaway accounts. And I doubt the people that would make such accounts have anything of interest to add to the discussion.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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For some reason, I don't see this news mentioned on any mainstream media across the political spectrum (Al Jazeera --> Guardian --> BBC --> CNN / NYT / NPR --> Fox News). Could be that I just missed it, but seems odd.

This was top story yesterday on al Jazeera the moment it happened. I think you missed the windows.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amnesty International, The International Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, numerous other human rights organizations and world governments all say the same thing: genocide. To deny this is to say that you believe all of those groups are wrong and it is actually Netanyahu, Trump, Biden and Harris, along with their cronies in congress are correct. It is a position that cannot be defended logically.

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Indeed.. besides the herd mentality, and obvious bias in all of these authorities, what irks me most is the complete and utter randomness of the outrage over Gaza.

I'm sure horrible things happen there, also that Israel plays dirty, but the selectiveness of the outrage, and complete silence on similar situations, or for that matter, the United States foreign policy of the past century...

I honestly don't care what happens there. I've seen and read enough to know that the conflicts in the region are so ideological that trying to project any rationality on them is effectively moot.

How come so many Ukrainians were accepted into their neighbor countries when Russia invaded, and apparently none of the neighbors want to have anything to do with the Palestinians?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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From a historical, economic, social perspective... Why does Israel hold so much power over the world?

It doesn’t. The US does, however, and the US has for decades put all of its weight behind Israel. Without that, Israel would probably have faced the same fate as apartheid South Africa. The current genocide is to blame on the US as much as on Israel.

You're explaining what people can see. The question was why this happens though.

Why does this one country have such unwavering support? Why is the current president for example not trying to save some money by just not giving it to them?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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I do not support mass murder, that's correct. If that's what you call consensus morality then I'm not ashamed to be in the consensus.

> do not support mass murder

Yeah me neither.

But I can accept there will be civilian casualties when fighting a war that will result in de-radicalization of a terrorist state and prevent decades to centuries of further violence.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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So what? The fact that Hamas or its supporters produce fake anti-Israel propaganda doesn't mean that Israel isn't committing genocide. To suggest so is to engage in the fallacy of composition ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition ): (1) "Hamas produces a lot of fake anti-Israel propaganda" -> (2) "All anti-Israel evidence is fake" -> (3)"Israel is not committing genocide". You can't reach conclusion…

You: "Look at these videos showing genocide in Gaza!" Him: "Those videos are demonstrably fake." You: "Doesn't matter!" Are you sure that's the right fallacy?

At no point did I ever point to a video and say that it shows genocide, so your first line is invented. Here's a more accurate version:

Him: "Here is some evidence that some videos have been faked" Me: "The fact that some have been faked doesn't mean there aren't real ones"

So yes, it's the right fallacy.

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