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Pontevedra, Spain declares its entire urban area a "reduced traffic zone"

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Post by tengbretson »

LexiMax wrote: post #753
oldjim798 wrote: post #284

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All this applies to cars as well. Drivers are wild and driving is absurdly dangerous. I hate driving because other drives act like they are the car in the world - particularly post covid. Here in Toronto turn signals feel like they have been uninstalled. We have a ton of street racers tearing up the roads. I see motorcyclists pop wheelies and rip down major streets weekly. All of your complaints about lack of pro soc…

I've had panhandlers walk up to me at stop lights in suburban sprawl cities. I find it very hard to believe that the GP hasn't experienced the same.

Would you agree that being able to drive away from that situation is different from sharing space in a confined metal tube for 20+ minutes?

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Post by helqn »

tjansen wrote: post #634
darkamaul wrote: post #232

While the current Paris administration has its detractors, its policies, removing surface parking, expanding bike lanes, and lowering speed limits, have done tremendous good for air quality (see the Airparif study for details in [0]). Paris may not yet be at Amsterdam’s scale, but only 5 % of daily trips in the city are made by car. It’s staggering that roughly 50 % of public space is allocated to cars [1], despite t…

I was in Paris this year, for the first time in 10 years, and frankly, I didn't notice less traffic. All streets are full. There are certainly more electric cars, and fewer old ones. However, the streets are now crowded with Uber and taxi cabs. I didn't notice fewer cars.

Because the whole point is to stop poor people from driving and lining up the pockets of the car manufacturers.

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Post by Saline9515 »

victornomad wrote: post #726
Saline9515 wrote: post #715

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Impossible to go to a store, buy groceries for a week with two kids on a bike. And at some point the cargo bike gets as big as a small car.

that's exactly my situation and many of my friends and no problem at all :)

Where do you put the toilet paper? The diapers? I can fill a 400 L boot easily with weekly groceries for a family of 4. Most cargo bikes have max 300L space, you have no space left for children.

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Post by woodruffw »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #680
rcpt wrote: post #601

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So, OP is right. Despite the Nextdoor-tier rant about panhandlers the demand for walkable cities is huge. So huge that the super rich will pay handsomely and put up with panhandlers on top of it to live outside of car hell.

At least one wealthy family in NYC I met doesn't use surface transport for much... they use helicopters or have things/people/shopping/restaurants brought to them. Had an experience where a store sent tailors, stylists, a manager, and a ton of inventory so that they could clothes shop while still in their home. Apparently, this was "normal". My shock was a source of great amusement to them. They did the same thing wi…

I don’t think your wealthy acquaintances are representative.

I’ve lived in NYC my entire life, and I know plenty of wealthy people. Most take the subway; a small but not insignificant minority drive or are driven everywhere.

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Post by woodruffw »

tengbretson wrote: post #761
LexiMax wrote: post #753

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I've had panhandlers walk up to me at stop lights in suburban sprawl cities. I find it very hard to believe that the GP hasn't experienced the same.

Would you agree that being able to drive away from that situation is different from sharing space in a confined metal tube for 20+ minutes?

My experience is that panhandlers on the road like to post up at long red lights, at which point you’re effectively forced to share space with them for N minutes unless you intend to run a red light. In the subway, you just change cars.

(I’m riding the subway right now, and two people just changed cars because of weak A/C.)

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Post by Saline9515 »

rcpt wrote: post #742
Saline9515 wrote: post #626

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https://www.paris.fr/pages/tarifs-suv-modalites-de-controle-... Because they target heavy vehicles, SUVs have no proper definition. But many decent family-friendly cars for 3 children with a large boot are in this category. In general, the city has greatly reduced surface parking, which creates a lot of problems for trade workers who need to intervene in the city and need a car.

In New York we had to suffer all these same arguments about low income trade workers with 9 kids that all need to be in different places at the same time etc etc etc. But congestion pricing passed any and it has been an incredible success. None of these arguments about parking hold up.

Who doesn't like a good regressive tax? Anyway, Manhattan isn't really a family-friendly place, so the issue is different.

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Post by felineflock »

vkou wrote: post #755
felineflock wrote: post #747

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You seem to be living in a distant parallel world. Here is how it looks like on the actual world: urban centers are dominated by Democrats in almost every state. The leniency regarding criminals comes from Democrats, specially regarding violent criminals. Memphis' Paul Young is affiliated with the Democratic Party https://bestneighborhood.org/conservative-vs-liberal-map-mem... https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliatio…

Cities only prosecute misdemeanors, and have no control over felony investigations or prosecutions. Police departments in all cities politically lean hard-right. The state and the PD has far more influence over access to firearms and serious crime than a city's politics do. A city's authority is largely limited to handing out parking tickets and graffiti citations. And republican supermajority states have never had a…

Your assumptions are incorrect: felony prosecution is not outside local control, and police politics are irrelevant.

How many times a PD arrests a criminal then a judge later releases? That criminal with 30-year history would never be free if judged in a rural county instead of urban NYC or Charlotte.

The real drivers are prosecutorial policies driven by political priorities.

And we all know that who sides with criminals most of the time are the Democrats.

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Post by ionwake »

deltarholamda wrote: post #662
ionwake wrote: post #636

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Im confused, you seem to be offended for some reason EDIT> I reread your comment what on earth are you talking about? Im not acting shocked, and nothing about my reply is anything to do with other people having differing opinions.

Fair enough, though I'm not offended. I detected condescension where none was meant, and I apologize for that.

No worries bro its all good man

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Post by oblio »

Bratmon wrote: post #576
rcpt wrote: post #526

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Wait. Are the pedestrian friendly cities battlegrounds with panhandlers with horrible schools, or are they wildly expensive luxury destinations that are in such high demand that only the 0.1% can live there?

I don't understand why you're phrasing that like it's a dichotomy. It's clearly both.

It's almost like the US has a... missing middle?
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