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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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> Maybe you’ll say Israel is the original Jewish homeland and therefore the occupation is justified? Being raised evangelical, I was taught the land belonged to the Jews since God judged the original inhabitants, and was given to them forever. Those who taught me see modern Israel as righting ancient wrongs and Palestine as occupying Jewish land. They've even visited the West Bank through a food effort with a Christi…

> Having left the church, it's much clearer to me that Arabs and Jews have both lived there for thousands of years Yes, and there was a lot of mixing and slow but gradual conversion to the dominant socio-cultural muslim group that happened over more than a millenium. After the muslim conquest of Levant in about 630 AD, caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab lifted the Christian ban on Jews entering Jerusalem some time later duri…

South Africa is currently performing a reverse genocide against the White population. It's a war zone. Saying that it's better is quite short sighted.

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At least we aren’t giving the Russians bombs. The same can’t be said for Israel.

And Iran is giving bombs to Hamas and ruzzia. That is a tragedy what happened to Gaza. Even friendly Arab nations don't want them to come as refuges, I'm curious why.

It’s not equivalent.

Look at the destruction of Gaza and the deaths.

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Thank you, this is what I wanted to know: "‘If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you,’ the Israeli stand-up comedian Gil Kopatz posted. ‘It’s not genocide, it’s pesticide.’ According to a survey commissioned by Penn State, more than 80 per cent of Israeli Jews now support the expulsion of Gazans. Compassion for Palestinians is taboo except among a fringe of radical activists. When Ayman Odeh, a Palestinian member…

> "‘If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you,’ the Israeli stand-up comedian Gil Kopatz posted. ‘It’s not genocide, it’s pesticide.’ I have such a hard time understanding how such statements can find an accepting audience in this day and age; in Israel of all places. Replace "Israeli stand-up comedian" with "some Nazi propagandist in the 30s/40s" and "Gazans" with "Jews", and I'm sure it would be a perfectly accur…

> in Israel of all places

The trauma propagates itself. To break the circle is extraordinary, normal is to continue in it.

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Who would support Israel? Who’s aircraft carriers would stand by?

Research Israel’s independence war where Czechoslovakia contributed arms. It wasn’t until Nixon that Israel had American support.

Im talking about now, not 50 years ago.

Czechoslovakia doesn’t even exist. Who else would provide the support the US gives?

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Research Israel’s independence war where Czechoslovakia contributed arms. It wasn’t until Nixon that Israel had American support.

Im talking about now, not 50 years ago. Czechoslovakia doesn’t even exist. Who else would provide the support the US gives?

My point was that even without American support, Israel won its wars.

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It's the "Jewish" in Jewish state that lies at the root of the conflict, isn't it? There aren't many options to maintain a dominant ethnic identity in a democracy when the land the nation was founded on was already inhabited by people who don't share in that identity. The only option is to either cede that ethnic identity or to engage in mass displacement and disenfranchisement. It's exceedingly subtle the way ethno-…

Jews were kicked out of all the Arab nations they lived in, were persecuted in Europe, and you think that they shouldn’t get a sovereign country for themselves? Should the Kurds get one? Tibetans? Catalonias? Scottish?

The Kurds, Tibetans, Catalonia, or Scottish don't need to ethnically cleanse the land to get their own nation. That's the difference. This is not hard to understand. Most people do not object to the concept of a Jewish state, they object to the ethnic cleansing.

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Ruzzia is bombing Ukrainian cities to the ground. No countries are actively trying to stop them, just minor help to Ukraine to keep them afloat.

At least we aren’t giving the Russians bombs. The same can’t be said for Israel.

west gives tens of billions of dollars to russia every year for oil/gas. and with this money russia builds bombs. or buys bombs from iran and north korea

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>Isreal proposed international peacekeeping forces in Gaza This is a bit misleading. Israel proposed that it maintain absolute and total military control of Gaza, but that a "peacekeeping force" from three Arab nations, bizarrely to be controlled by the US, would "secure food distribution". Israel has absolutely zero intention of handing over control of Gaza, and has gone to extraordinary lengths to vilify and delegi…

> Israel has absolutely zero intention of handing over control of Gaza, The charter for Hamas for years called for the total destruction of Israel. That's been recently removed, but their actions haven't changed. Why would any nation allow such a government to be their neighbor? The best that anyone could hope for would be a North / South Korea or CCP/KMT divide, but those only work because both sides share a common…

actually old (original) charter of hamas was never removed or replaced. it's still there.

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What do you mean by "literal invasion"? It seems to imply that Israel would have been attacked without provocation. In 1948 the zionist paramilitaries had been at war with the indigenous population for quite some time, neighbouring states offering the palestinians military support once the british ended the mandate wasn't exactly out of the blue. The 1956 Suez crisis was an attack by Israel and some of its allies. Th…

You seem to believe that Israel is not a legitimate state, and have stated quite a bit of misinformation in your comment. Looking at it as someone without a dog in the fight, you seem comically one-sided in your analysis. > In 1948 the zionist paramilitaries had been at war with the indigenous population for quite some time As of May 1948, these were not 'zionist paramiltaries', they were the Israeli army. >The 1956…

It's not, apartheid states as well as colonies are direly lacking in legitimacy.

Until 1955 Nasser was working with the israelis to achieve border security and find a non-violent solution to the rather large amount of palestinians with rather well-founded grievances that were taking advantage of the porous border. The Lavon affair occured in 1954. In February 1955 an israeli military group under Ariel Sharon attacked the egyptian army, after which Nasser changed his mind about the israelis and started actively supporting the palestinian 'fedayeen'.

Such attacks by Israel in Egypt were aimed at keeping british colonial influence alive, i.e. attempts to use the illegitimate force of another state to subjugate a neighbour. In 1973 Israel had consistently declined peace offers and made even the usians furious with their disinterest in a negotiated solution with Egypt and Syria. One should note that the cease-fire lines weren't at the israeli borders.

Around 1968 the aim of the PLO was to liberate Palestine from the jewish supremacist apartheid colony and establish a democratic state in its place, which, of course, was unacceptable to the zionist movement. The reason they resided in Lebanon was the illegal displacement of hundreds of thousands of palestinians into lebanese territory, which wasn't exactly a stabilising factor in Lebanon. Israel consistently demanded that the lebanese state should solve the problem that the israelis had forced upon it and performed 'retaliations' against lebanese civilian targets for PLO actions.

Israel also undermined lebanese political institutions by supporting christian militants, basically fomenting a civil war and trying to coerce its neighbour to install a particular government.

Consistently Israel invades, occupies, displaces and then starts to destroy homes, historical and religious sites, as well as agrarian and other civilian infrastructure. This is the main reason for Israel's dependence on conflict mines in Africa, and USA delivering oil and weaponry. More recently, as another line of revenue, Israel has developed a systematic use of its tyranny for the design and dissemination of technological tools that are used for oppressive purposes all over the world.

It's a criminal, illegitimate state predicated on the extermination of indigenous societies in its region, which is currently enacting a genocide and implicating a bunch of occidental states in it. In effect this is destroying the post-WWII international judicial order and the UN system, and will likely bring back the limitless forms of colonial and imperial violence that preceded the world wars. Russia has already taken note and ramped up its crimes against Ukraine.

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>what will ever give Israel confidence that Oct 7 will never happen again Why are you asking "what will give the genocidal state confidence", and not bothering for a single second about what will give the hundred of thousands of permanently traumatised, hurt and dead Palestinians confidence that their genocidal neighbours will not do it again ? >still in Gaza with no options to leave and resent Israel who they will c…

> This situation ends in two ways: either the Palestinians disappear, or Israel disappears. See this is the problem, that kind of thought is why Israel is comfortable allowing the people of Gaza to suffer indefinitely. Hamas and the people of Gaza have zero power in this situation. They can either bend over backwards and appease Israel to try to regain some trust and maybe at some point Israel will slowly loosen rest…

Bend over backwards to a country that tortured them and is committing a genocide against them? Would you have asked the Jews to bend over backwards to Nazi Germany to appease them?

You're not interested in discussing in good faith, pretending that this is only because of October 7. Hope you sleep soundly while tens of thousands of children die at the hand of a genocidal state.

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