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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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> Don't like porn? Don't buy it. Simple as that. The claim isn't "we don't like it", the claim is "this is damaging to society". I don't agree with such things in many cases (and many people disagree with me when I'm the one saying something is damaging to society), but it's important to note the difference or you will always be arguing against something other than their claim. > No one, including governments or paym…

We regulate speech based on its damage to society? Well, sounds like a certain canidae TV network ought to be regulated out of existence.

Not to mention Facebook and YouTube.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Some people actually care for the whole, or for the wholesomeness of a specific subset. This includes (on the face) most people who participate in public life. Which is a lot of people! >Don't like porn? Cool, don't buy it or avert your eyes! Why do you then tell others how to live their lives? Is really leaving everyone to their own devices the good idea? >As if this would stop anybody from getting access to pornogr…

I'm not a downvoter, but I have a few minutes to kill, so sure, I'll bite. > Why do you then tell others how to live their lives? In all reasonably-free societies, the default stance is "Mind your damn business, and everyone else will mind theirs.". Deviations from that default veer into "telling other people how to live their lives" territory. Sometimes it's right and proper to actively interfere in the lives of oth…

I definitely agree on the payment processor situation. In my opinion, businesses should also be free to refuse business for whatever reason, but, with the very important caveat that when they so large that to be considered a utility, they can't refuse legal business, like in this case Mastercard and Visa. There is not exactly an alternative to them.

The point I'm more interested in here is the "Why do you people always presume they know what is best for other people?". To which my answer is that many people make it their job to care about what people are exposed to. Often it's rooted in extensive experience and literature. I don't think it's a good notion to outright disregard everyone who seems to have a better idea on how people should live. Among other things, not everyone needs to make the same mistakes over and over again, like falling into an addiction, just because "they can't tell me to not fall into this addiction".

And yeah, there will be a lot of busybodies as well. When there's power, there will be abuse as well.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Based on https://blog.osum.com/steam-market-share/ (no idea how accurate) Steam holds 75% market share. One could make an argument that it may be a gatekeeper to the market and should be more closely regulated for commercial and free speech reasons.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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They may both be damaging, but currently we have a lot more porn than censorship, so it looks like it's causing more damage. If we flip to having a lot more censorship we'll feel that damage more clearly. Or we won't, depending how successful the censorship is.

> it looks like it's causing more damage what damage is it causing?

It raises your dopamine tolerance - part of why people tend to get into more and more crazy types of porn to get the same fix (see randy in south park :) ).

Also, since your dopamine tolerance is higher, you enjoy real life less, which is bad mkay

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11757-020-00607-y End of page 3, the author does a litterature review and finds that current studies show that exposure to CSAM increases probability of offending for those with predispositions.

Haven't read this yet, but I'm going to take a wild stab and guess that none of those "current studies" mentioned in the literature review were RCTs, because an RCT would entail deliberately exposing people with a predisposition towards paedophilia to CSAM, and that doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would ever be allowed by an ethics board. If that's the case, then all these studies were observational studies,…

There are many publications studying how porn exposure shapes sexuality and our vision of the human body, especially in the young age, but not only.

By your logic, CSAM consumers would be "magically" unaffected by viewing this porn subcategory.

How convienient.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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It sounds like you're saying porn either "gave" you a fetish, or uncovered a latent fetish you didn't know you had (and /or preferred not to know about). If that's an accurate read, can I ask what harm it causes you to have a fetish? Provided it doesn't harm anyone else, what's wrong with liking what you like?

I don’t buy the “revealed a latent fetish” explanation. I don’t think people are born with a fetish baked into their soul. Like, the people with the “blueberry expansion” one, you really think they were born with that? No, of course not, that would be dumb. I think the main reason people put forth the “latent fetish” explanation is in order to argue that pornography is harmless. As for why it harms me? The purpose of…

> I don’t buy the “revealed a latent fetish” explanation. I don’t think people are born with a fetish baked into their soul.

There’s a 3rd explanation: fetishes aren’t inborn, but they’re not instilled by porn either. Instead, they develop through a complex interaction of psychological, developmental, neurological, and cultural factors.

One theory is that, if a person repeatedly experiences sexual arousal in the presence of a specific object or situation (even coincidentally), the brain may begin to link that stimulus with arousal (classical conditioning). Or if the experience isn’t repeated but it is intense, it can become imprinted as erotically significant. In both cases, the fetish can be considered “latent” in the sense that it existed prior to one’s encounter with porn related to that fetish. Porn simply revealed what was already there (and showed the viewer there are others out there like them, too!).

So-called “normal” sexual behavior is just the median of millions of data points. There is not one person who fits that median in all respects. Even if you can’t find a partner who finds your specific fetish “appealing”, there are plenty of women out there who won’t specifically judge you for it either. Failing that, just enjoy the fetish in your own mind and don’t divulge it to your partner. You’re entitled to an inner life, after all.

Just as we have a biological imperative to procreate, we also have one to eat. But I’d disqualify any potential partner who thought less of me for liking tacos. Again, as long as one’s fetish doesn’t harm others, why should sex be any different?

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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What is wrong with these people who try to block certain content? Don't like porn? Don't buy it. Simple as that. No one, including governments or payment processors, should be in the position to decide whether a platform can sell something or not. I wish there was a payment processor who was brave enough to say a big fucking NO to censorship.

> Don't like porn? Don't buy it. Simple as that

Except we live in a society and what goes into it affects all of us. Why does Germany ban Nazi content? Why do governments have minimum wages?

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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What is wrong with these people who try to block certain content? Don't like porn? Don't buy it. Simple as that. No one, including governments or payment processors, should be in the position to decide whether a platform can sell something or not. I wish there was a payment processor who was brave enough to say a big fucking NO to censorship.

These are private companies and you better believe they have a say in what they make available on their own platform.

They do not have to host your game that they don’t like and that doesn’t make it censorship.

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