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Post by WickyNilliams »

kypro wrote: post #501
WickyNilliams wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The intent of the posters may be ironic subversion. But for those reading? There's no doubt some portion that mistake it for sincerity and are quietly being radicalised by it all. Poe's Law and all that

I think I'd argue the issue here is a lack of diversity of views because exposure to radical views is the only thing that protects me from them. Although I might not be normal in that regard. I would accept this is a problem though. I just question whether the solution is censoring views. I guess I'll give an example... In the UK there's a lot of people questioning why young boys today seem to often hold such radical…

Sorry I wasn't talking about censorship. That's a different conversation

I'm just saying that whilst some people may be posting controversial content in jest, others will get the wrong end of the stick and take it seriously.

In addition there will also be people pretending to be ironic, but are actually posting their sincere extreme views. Like a reverse Poe's Law

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Post by potato3732842 »

concordDance wrote: post #759
ultimafan wrote: post #482

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There's little doubt in my mind that for every person on websites like /pol/ that's taking the piss with subversive "be as offensive/absurd to the status quo as you can" style of humor there's at least one other person that's internalized those kinds of views as a genuine belief system. I don't browse 4chan anymore though I did used to (a lot) years ago. Take what I say as anecdotal evidence but I used to chat with a…

> I think my main takeaway for sites like /pol/ is that you can't really pretend to act one way for humor for extended periods of time without it rubbing off on you in one way or another and that there are too many young people out there that stumble upon places like that and adopt those views since they lack the world experience yet to have formed their own. As someone with an experience similar to this I think the…

>You do the edgy trolling. You try to get better at being edgy by coming up with better and better arguments for the edgy thing. You start having doubts of "wait, this actually sounds like a good reason?". You have no one to actually seriously discuss the issue with because its outside the Overton Window (ostracisation or bans would be given in serious places if you entertained the ideas), instead you find only stupid strawman arguments. Years of not finding anything to beat those arguments gradually shifts your views.

How is this any worse than the feedback loop of extremism and purity spirals you see in upvote base communities?

It just seems like a different mechanism for the same thing. In both cases the overton window is moving somewhere stupid one witty and well received comment at a time.

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Post by lupusreal »

imtringued wrote: post #704
hoseja wrote: post #690

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The poster is likely confused at how anybody can be so r-slurred.

There is no better way to destroy the ability to communicate than by assuming there is evil lurking around every corner and all you have to do is uncover it!

Thinking that every conversation you have is high stakes, that the fate of the world hangs in the balance to be decided by your ability to conquer your conversational opponents, is a really insidious form of mind rot that is prevalent across the web and seems to know no ideological bounds.

Maybe it's just what happens when narcissists get online. The inability to acknowledge that the argument doesn't matter and so you can chill out and let retards be retards is fundamentally a failure in humility.

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Post by DecoySalamander »

keepamovin wrote: post #665
Red_Tarsius wrote: post #88

I feel too many people conflate /pol/ with the whole website. I enjoyed browsing through sfw boards like /tg/ (tabletop media), /ck/ (cooking) and /fit/ (fitness). I had long discussions about the SW sequels on /tv/ back in 2015-19. The readership was surprisingly diverse and the anonymity lead users to provide more focused replies. With bodybuilding.com gone, the blue boards felt like the last bastion of the old int…

I still don't understand how to read threads. How do replies work? How do you know it's actually the person you're replying to who's replying back? How is it organized visually??

> How do replies work

Reply references the post it is replying to by ID, most boards will turn that ID into a link or even create a UI to view a chain of replies.

> How do you know it's actually the person you're replying to who's replying back?

You shouldn't, an anonymous imageboard invites you to engage with ideas, not people. However, on most boards you can enter a password with your post, which is displayed as a hash, changing you from anonymous to pseudonymous (although this is generally considered attention-seeking and is frowned upon).

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Post by lupusreal »

FiniteField wrote: post #509
codexon wrote: post #375

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> I feel too many people conflate /pol/ with the whole website. Because it is the 2nd most active category, and the racist/alt-right beliefs have spread to the other boards because the head admin fires anyone that tries to moderate it. https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-man-who-helped-turn-4cha... On top of that, they actively delete and ban posts that go against alt-right. I discussed it somewhat recently here: htt…

All of this sentiment is many years out of date. "Alt-right" hasn't been a term of self-identification for almost a decade, and hasn't been used as an identifier by pretty much anyone for at least half of that. /pol/ is not the epicentre of the radical online right and has not been for years - it's a backwater in that regard now. The most notable radicalisation happening on /pol/ nowadays, in my opinion, is a kind of…

> Also, as is being corroborated by other online circles like the Nick Fuentes "Groyper" movement

On 4chan, Nick Fuentes is loudly and routinely criticized as a closeted homosexual who hates women and encourages his impressionable underage followers to also hate women. He's a more active part of the incel pipeline than 4chan these days and is called out for it on 4chan.

(He's also as a federal informant, since he was never thrown in the slammer for plainly inciting J6 activity. The feds had him dead to rights for that and just let him. I mention this not because it's relevant to the point, just for completeness.)

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Post by lupusreal »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #602
FiniteField wrote: post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of this sentiment is many years out of date. "Alt-right" hasn't been a term of self-identification for almost a decade, and hasn't been used as an identifier by pretty much anyone for at least half of that. /pol/ is not the epicentre of the radical online right and has not been for years - it's a backwater in that regard now. The most notable radicalisation happening on /pol/ nowadays, in my opinion, is a kind of…

The fact that you had to explain this is evidence that those who try to fight the kind of ideology which is spreading on that website have no hope.

Name anything which doesn't need to be explained by somebody to someone. BTW, "you disagreeing with me is evidence that I am right" is a very 4chan way of arguing.

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Post by Arch-TK »

mkl wrote: post #745
Arch-TK wrote: post #706

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... did you read the bit of the PDF I referenced?

Yes. The section itself says PDF differs significantly from PostScript. The required changes detailed there to transform a PDF to PostScript are substantial: add PostScript implementations of the PDF operators; extract and translate the page content, changing the operator names, decompressing and recompressing text, graphics, and image data, and deleting PDF-only content; translate and insert font data; reorder the c…

The substantial differences are in terms of restrictions to postscript to reduce it to a declarative language rather than a full fledged programming language.

A PDF is a collection of isolated, restricted postscript programs (content streams) and the data required for rendering stuffed into one file. The overarching format is a subset of COS. But for all intents and purposes you can imagine this as a tarball containing postscript and other data.

The transformations required to go from PDF to postscript amount to:

1. Include some boilerplate

2. Pull out the content streams (postscript bits) ignoring the pdf-specific extensions

3. Search and replace the names of two procedures

4. Pull out the data required for rendering, optionally decompressing it if your postscript output doesn't support the particular compression in use

5. Concatenate all the data in the right order (on the basis of some metadata in the format)

6. It's now just normal postscript

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Post by delfinom »

fwungy wrote: post #678
Shekelphile wrote: post #594

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> Then some morons connected them to the internet for no good reasons. Elon Musk and Franz von Holzhausen, to be precise.

New cars have 3G cellular transmitters constantly sending telemetry data. This started becoming common in 2012.

Depends on the brand still. Honda for example only does that to the top tier touring trims because it's part of their remote-remote start offering for that trim (that you have to subscribe to)

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Post by bibabaloo »

fransje26 wrote: post #750
ryandrake wrote: post #556

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> Just with a bunch of extra features hastily grafted and grown organically, but never dealing with the insane amount of technical debt. This describes probably 95%+ of the entire software world, from enterprise, to SaaS to IoT to mobile to desktop to embedded... Everything seems to be hastily thrown together features that barely work and piles of debt that will never get fixed. It's a wonder anything actually even w…

> It's a wonder anything actually even works. > If cars were made like this, there would be millions of them breaking down by the side of the road daily. Next to the software side of things, I also often wonder about planes. But, until now, they have proved fairly resilient to falling out of the sky, except for the well known "recent" events. Which is fairly surprising, knowing the levels of mismanagement at play. We…

Planes have just as much spaghetti code as anything else, the only difference is that it's extremely well tested (functionally) and verified spaghetti code.

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Post by DaSHacka »

sumeno wrote: post #634
lastcobbo wrote: post #406

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That’s a silly thing to think about any site on the internet. Have you vetted every person on any site you post on? Or even this thread? If not, how do you expect a moderator to do that? This isn’t a pub, it’s a site used by tens of thousands of people.

I don't post on sites that cater to nazis, if a website starts catering to nazis I stop visiting it. It's incredibly easy

What does 4chan do to "cater to nazis" that Hacker News doesn't? They both exist as discussion platforms, one just has less overall moderation.
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