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You’re confusing the tools (which are their own marvels) and the practice (which is art, using the tools). However good or not is the camera, it’s not the camera that dictates the inner qualities of a photograph, there is _something else_ that evades the technicalities of the tools and comes from the context and the choice of the photograph (and of accident, too, because it’s the nature of photography: capturing an a…
There is a third and fourth red flag, is it conscious or not I don’t know. I am not even speaking of « do the users feel what it is ». Here it is: If some people are so enthusiastic and ruthless defenders of AI generators that were trained/fed from the work of millions on unconsenting artists… 1/ what do they expect will happen to their own generated production? 2/ what do they expect will happen to their own consent…
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#762I had to call it a day and cancel this year. Yearly sub approaching $700 per year just to open photoshop files a few times per year and maybe edit a pdf file? Fk it I’ll find another way.
Like you I rarely open Photoshop, maybe once or twice a month.
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There is a third and fourth red flag, is it conscious or not I don’t know. I am not even speaking of « do the users feel what it is ». Here it is: If some people are so enthusiastic and ruthless defenders of AI generators that were trained/fed from the work of millions on unconsenting artists… 1/ what do they expect will happen to their own generated production? 2/ what do they expect will happen to their own consent…
Can you talk more about "rape as a culture"?
The casual dismissal of artists' fundamental rights to control their work and how they are used is a part of a larger cultural problem, where might would rule over law, power would rule over justice, lies over truth.
That may seem a charged argument, and it is, because it hits right and it is particularly uncomfortable to acknowledge.
The same tech leaders that push for this move over IP law are the tech leaders that fund(ed) the current dismantling of US democracy and that have chosen their political team because it aligns precisely (up to the man that got the presidential seat, the man that has (had?) quite problematic issues towards women) with their values.
This is too obvious to be an accident.
And this is also a stern warning. Because the ideology behind power does not stop at anything. It goes on until it eats itself.
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#764Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re confusing the tools (which are their own marvels) and the practice (which is art, using the tools). However good or not is the camera, it’s not the camera that dictates the inner qualities of a photograph, there is _something else_ that evades the technicalities of the tools and comes from the context and the choice of the photograph (and of accident, too, because it’s the nature of photography: capturing an a…
> Generative AI on the contrary of tools that stay in their specific place, steals the insight from previous artists (from the training set) and strips the prompter from their own insights and personality and imprint (because it is not employed, but only through a limited text prompt at an interface). Because every piece of generative AI looks identical, right? I mean, if the prompt had an impact, and two people usin…
I feel there's something interesting to discuss here but I'm still not convinced: a camera captures light from the physical reality. AI generators "capture" something from a model trained on existing artworks from other people (most likely not consenting). There's a superficial similarity in the push of the button, but that's it. Each does not operate the same way, on the same domain.
> You appear to be completely blind to the similarities [...] without being able to explain how the AI-tool is fundamentally different from the camera-tool, but obviously one negates all possibility to create art, while the other totally is art, because that's what people say!
There's a vocabulary issue here. Art is a practice, not a thing, not a product. You can create a picture, however you like it.
What makes a picture cool to look at is how it looks. And that is very subjective and contextual. No issue with that. What makes it _interesting_ and catchy is not so much what it _is_ but what it says, what it means, what it triggers, from the intent of the artist (if one gets to have the info about it), to its techniques[1] all the way to the inspiration it creates in the onlookers (which is also a function of a lot of things).
Anything machine-produced can be cool/beautiful/whatever.
Machines also reproduce/reprint original works. And while there are common qualities, it is not the same to look at a copy, at a reproduction of a thing, and to look at the original thing, that was made by the original artist. If you haven't experienced that, please try to (going to a museum for instance, or a gallery, anywhere).
[1] and there, using AI stuff as anything else as a _tool_ to practice/make art? of course. But to say that what this tool makes _is_ art or a work of art? Basic no for me.
> Needless to say that the people making those distinctions can't even tell apart a photo from an AI-generated picture.
1/ It does get better and better, but it still looks like AI-generated (as of April 2025).
2/ Human-wise/feeling-wise/intellectual-wise, anything that I know has been generated by AI will be a. interesting perhaps, for ideas, for randomness, b. but soulless. And that is connection, relief, soul (mine, and those of others) I am looking for in art (as a practice, an artefact or a performance); I'm pretty sure that's what connects us humans.
3/ Market-wise, I predict that any renowned artwork will lose of its value as soon as its origin being AI-made will be known; for the very reason 2/ above.
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BlueSky is a very kind place in my experience. I don't get people asking me to justify my existence like I do on Twitter. Seriously, people on Twitter demand I debate them about the validity of my life. That has yet to happen on BlueSky.
I think it depends on your identity. There are some personal identities (no, the identity is not about hating someone) that attract a lot of hatred and harassment on BlueSky.
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Can you talk more about "rape as a culture"?
Rape is fundamentally about power, control and the violation of consent. The casual dismissal of artists' fundamental rights to control their work and how they are used is a part of a larger cultural problem, where might would rule over law, power would rule over justice, lies over truth. That may seem a charged argument, and it is, because it hits right and it is particularly uncomfortable to acknowledge. The same t…
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Collections rarely does anything. I mean they will nag you, but you ask them to only contact you in writing, and it basically goes away. The collection agency could sue you, but it's rare. It involves putting together a realistic case (we are sure this person signed this contract and owes us $X) and that is expensive. The billing your credit card 50% is a "well we tried" type thing. They're happy if it works out, but…
In the US, a collection on your credit report can tank your FICO score by more than 100 points, affecting your ability to borrow at the best rate, rent a home, or get certain jobs. This would be a very risky move if the purchase was made in such a way that you are personally liable.
True, and it sucks, but you can also keep contesting it. I got a few random things off my credit by using the tools provided by the credit agencies to contest them.
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#768Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. The AI features in Photoshop are the best around in my experience and come in handy constantly for all sorts of touchup work. Anyway I don't really think they deserve a lot of the hate they get, but I do hope this encourages development of viable alternatives to their products. Photoshop is still pretty much p…
> Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. It's because nobody actually wants that. Artists don't like AI image generators because they have to compete with them, not because of how they were trained. How they were trained is just the the most plausible claim they can make against them if they want to sue OpenAI et al over it, or to make a moral argu…
I always wonder why people make statements like this. Anyone that knows more than one artist knows that artists uses these tools for a variety of reasons and aren't nearly as scared as random internet concern trolls make them out to be.
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> Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. It's because nobody actually wants that. Artists don't like AI image generators because they have to compete with them, not because of how they were trained. How they were trained is just the the most plausible claim they can make against them if they want to sue OpenAI et al over it, or to make a moral argu…
I don't think all artists are treating this tool as such an existential threat.
Agreed, the ones I know in real life are excited by these tools and have been using them.
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I don't think all artists are treating this tool as such an existential threat.
>I don't think all artists are treating this tool as such an existential threat. Agreed, the ones I know in real life are excited by these tools and have been using them.
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