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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by hysan »

_mitterpach wrote: post #366

Link directly to the Github commit: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... , which links to the following issue: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/issues/16016 There are a bunch of locked Google docs linked in the issue, probably internal privacy guidelines. I can't say that this surprises me, perhaps they are looking for alternate revenue streams in case Google cuts them out? To HN: Will yo…

Yes, I’ll be leaving. I used to prefer Firefox but have long since moved to Safari for browsing and for web dev. Every year I give switching to FF a try. I’ve been using it for everything since mid-December but it’s honestly a pretty bad user experience. This is the move that’s gonna make me stop for this year’s trial run and all future ones. It’s simply not worth my time if their ideals don’t align with mine anymore. Safari and Chromium have their issues but I know what benefits I’m trading off for. Without ideals, FF has no standout features compared to the alternatives (for me).

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by bluGill »

Zak wrote: post #582
Digit-Al wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen discussions of this sort of wording so many times over the years. My understanding is as follows (and I could be wrong, but this is my understanding of why that wording is used). If you use Firefox to upload a file to a website then, legally speaking,the browser is acting as a "publisher"of that file. Because of Draconian laws in many countries, to publish a file you have to have a legal right to the file…

Perhaps the legal situation is different somewhere, but I would think the browser isn't acting at all. It has no agency; it's just software running on my computer, following instructions I give it. Mozilla has no agency in that situation either; the software is running on my computer, not theirs. The new terms grant Mozilla , the corporation a license to do things with my data.

The question isn't what you (who presumably understands technology) would think. The question is what every court in the world would think.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by numinix »

Can someone elaborate on what this means? Has Mozilla completely abandoned the "privacy" focus? I.e. should I stop recommending the browser and find an alternative? Deleting sentences like "We never sell your data" is for a long-time fan of the browser very alarming. But frankly I'm confused by the PR/blogs and can't tell from the privacy policy if/how it now allows selling my data.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by bluGill »

SJC_Hacker wrote: post #719
thedanbob wrote: post #647

For the last 10 years or so I've pendulum swung between the positions "privacy at all cost!" and "what's the point, you can't win". Well, I'm tired now and the pendulum is stuck on the latter. All I care about now is blocking ads. Go ahead Mozilla, Google, Apple, whoever, if you can hoover up my worthless browsing data without me noticing, you can have it. I hope my reading HN and watching inane Youtube videos is wor…

> I hope my reading HN and watching inane Youtube videos is worth something to you. Oh it is. It definitely is

Only if they can use it for ads which was blocked in this discussion.

Of course in the real world odds are they can't block ads perfectly and thus the data has value.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by lupusreal »

Timwi wrote: post #747
lupusreal wrote: post #602

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At this point my trust in Mozilla is so low that I could almost believe they intent to run the text I download and upload through an LLM nanny that can scold or ban me if anything offends its Californian sensibilities. > Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. > You may not u…

“Californian”??...

Call it what you like, "San Francisco techy", ""woke"" if you like trendy pejoratives, whatever. I don't care what you want to call it but I won't play along if you intend to say that regional value system is actually uniformly embraced across this country, let alone across the same globe Firefox users are spread across.

In the social sphere Mozilla resides in, voting for a socially conservative political party makes you a fascist which puts you at odds with Mozilla's acceptable use policy if you talk about your politics using Firefox. If Firefox users are supposed to be bound by that document, as judged by Mozilla, that's a problem.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by jtbayly »

amiga386 wrote: post #655
thorw93040494 wrote: post #495

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> is easy to block network access (never plug ethernet) Some TVs secretly include a modem and SIM card, to make sure they get your personal data back to their masters. Every company in the world is coming after your privacy. How far are you willing to defend it?

I believed this for a time, but now I believe it is an urban legend. Granted a plausible one, and one that might be true in the future... but not true as of yet.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by Dowwie »

I'm not using Firefox because it's functionally superior to Chrome. I use it because it's not a surveillance technology and Chrome is. Privacy is the only reason why I'm using Firefox.

The board governing Firefox development has got to be some of the worst. They don't understand the product nor their users.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by ta1243 »

dtech wrote: post #741
ta1243 wrote: post #689

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To put that number in perspective, drawing just 1% of that down each year and putting in a bank account earning interest would fund 100 engineers on $500k/year indefinitely.

They got it over many years with ongoing expenses because they had a browser, so comparing it with 7B lump sum is silly. With the same argument you could probably retire, after all you already earned (years you've been working) * (average salary).

so if I've worked for 20 years from age 20 with a 100k average salary that's 2m

A 2m lump sump at 20 would allow me to live a lifestyle of a 20k/year life, not good enough.

Had I lived that over the last 20 years and saved the rest of the 100k in an 8% return fund then I'd have 4m today and could drawdown a 40k/year life at 1%.

Had I been given a lump sum of 100 times my desired salary though, or 10m, then sure, no need to work.

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