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Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

btreecat wrote: post #732
koolba wrote: post #720

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> in the end, there are more reasonable people, but democracies needs to develop better constitutional/law systems, with very short feedback loop. It is very important to have fast reaction on breaking the law by ruling regime. What’s wrong with the separation of powers in the USA? There’s plenty of situations where judges issue injunctions that are in effect until the case is resolved.

Lack of enforcement mechanisms, captured courts, feckless political stooges, gullible public. E.g. Virginia governor illegally purged voters within a certain time window. Courts said "yeah that was illegal, you need to stop" VA attorney gen said "no I don't." And while the court of appeals agreed with the lower court "yeah simple violation of the law. Reinstate revoked registration." The VA supreme court was like "na…

I live in VA, and forgot about this until you mentioned it. Ugh.

Also wanted to say thank you for your work as a poll worker.

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by myrmidon »

lostmsu wrote: post #757
myrmidon wrote: post #751

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Factual correctness is a different dimension from how "outrage-inducing" news are. Those are orthogonal . Consider: "Illegal immigrants strike again, having raped 2 teenagers already this year" is outrage-inducing regardless of factual correctness.

What exactly is the problem with inducing outrage?

"Outrage fatigue can wear us down"-- the subtitle of the article :P

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Post by J_Shelby_J »

xvector wrote: post #559
mjmsmith wrote: post #495

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Oh please. Posts from /r/conservative show up in /r/popular all the time, and it remains a hotbed of conspiracy theorists, grifters, and old fashioned racists.

The ratio is what matters. Easily 95%+ of r/all is far-left content, typically with "rage-bait" headlines that fail to expose the nuance of the situation. This can't be healthy, for two reasons: (1) The health of the company. As an investor in RDDT, I am not a fan of the site's landing page alienating 50% of Americans right off the bat. (2) The health of public discourse. We should all be against the creation of echo…

Well, then the 50% of Americans being alienated should make better content.

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Post by lostmsu »

myrmidon wrote: post #762
lostmsu wrote: post #757

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What exactly is the problem with inducing outrage?

"Outrage fatigue can wear us down"-- the subtitle of the article :P

I don't necessarily see a problem with "outrage fatigue". It sounds like a self-solving problem: if a source gives you such fatigue, you will stop reading it naturally.

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Post by tuukkah »

wonderwonder wrote: post #758
tuukkah wrote: post #716

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If you read carefully, that's not anti-Trump, that's nuanced. A newspaper isn't supposed to be friends with politicians - it's supposed to report on them critically and truthfully.

I would agree with you if you can point to a similar post being made by them when Biden was elected.

You claimed that Guardian's banners state that they are anti-Trump. They don't. Game over.

And when Biden was elected, I'm pretty sure he didn't say “in this term, everybody wants to be my friend,” hence I'm pretty sure the banners were also different.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mistermann wrote: post #755
majgr wrote: post #743

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I think it is fair, because professionals do not use cheap tricks, but at least they are trying to distance themselves when writing a report. I like discussions when Sławomir Sierakowski (from Krytyka Polityczna) is present, because he always have some new ideas, new ways to describe reality. Although, I do not follow Krytyka Polityczna.

When someone is hired into a professional job, is there something in the laws of physics that prevent them from doing wrong?

What is the job anyway?

Almost all of the publishing is ultimately funded by ads, therefore the primary job of everyone involved is to generate ad impressions.

What's being attributed to "professionals" in this thread is actually the opposite of what the job pays for.

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Post by michaelt »

koolba wrote: post #720
majgr wrote: post #570

Living in Poland ruled by trumpists for 8 years I have these experiences: - Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. - It is better to not use social media. You never know if you are discussing with normal person, a political party troll, or Russian troll. - It is not worth discussing with „switched-on” people. They…

> in the end, there are more reasonable people, but democracies needs to develop better constitutional/law systems, with very short feedback loop. It is very important to have fast reaction on breaking the law by ruling regime. What’s wrong with the separation of powers in the USA? There’s plenty of situations where judges issue injunctions that are in effect until the case is resolved.

> What’s wrong with the separation of powers in the USA?

From an outsider's perspective, it doesn't look like it's working very well for you.

I'm not just talking about Trump - the "separation of powers" seems like a recipe for government shutdowns, pork-barrel spending to buy support, a politicised justice system, and being unable to hold politicians to account for failing to deliver their promises.

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Post by returningfory2 »

cma wrote: post #673
returningfory2 wrote: post #499

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Is your claim seriously that Kamala Harris's image on cultural issues like trans rights did not harm her election campaign? One of Trump's most successful campaign ads was the one that included her talking about government-funded gender affirming care for people in prison. It even has its own Wikipedia page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_is_for_they/them ). The fact that this stuff started in 2019 that she wo…

But when Democrats did change course they were blocked because Trump explicitly said Democrats passing something on the issue would hurt his election chances: > In February 2024 and again in May 2024, Republicans in the Senate blocked a bipartisan border security bill Biden had pushed for to reduce the number of migrants who can claim asylum at the border and provide more money for Customs and Border Protection offic…

I agree that Trump's move was very bad, but we know that Biden didn't need a new law to "fix" the situation at the border. After Trump blocked that law, Biden made the executive order that for years he claimed he couldn't make, and then the situation at the border got "better". If Biden had instead made that executive order in, say, Fall 2022, there's a good chance that the situation at the border would not have been as salient in 2024 and Trump wouldn't have been elected. (Or, if Trump was still elected, he wouldn't have a mandate to come down so hard on immigration like he's doing now).

The reason Biden didn't make the executive order earlier is because of pressure from groups like the ACLU. The ACLU was simultaneously telling us that Trump is a threat but also pressuring the administration to keep pursuing policies that were clearly playing right into Trump's reelection campaign.

By the way, the ACLU was also against the border bill that Trump blocked.

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Post by vharuck »

koolba wrote: post #720
majgr wrote: post #570

Living in Poland ruled by trumpists for 8 years I have these experiences: - Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. - It is better to not use social media. You never know if you are discussing with normal person, a political party troll, or Russian troll. - It is not worth discussing with „switched-on” people. They…

> in the end, there are more reasonable people, but democracies needs to develop better constitutional/law systems, with very short feedback loop. It is very important to have fast reaction on breaking the law by ruling regime. What’s wrong with the separation of powers in the USA? There’s plenty of situations where judges issue injunctions that are in effect until the case is resolved.

Separation is a good idea, but the implementation in the US needs some work. As majgr said, the feedback loop needs to be short. It's good that policy takes a while to change, because that allows debates, public comments, investigative reporting, etc. But the checks on power need to be fast, because if a president goes outside the legal framework, there's no debate or anything for as long as it takes to file a court case.

IANAL, but I believe that a judge can only order an injunction if a suit is filed by somebody who can show they have been out will be harmed by the action. It'd be nice if judges could be proactive for procedural or Constitutional violations.

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Post by wonderwonder »

tuukkah wrote: post #765
wonderwonder wrote: post #758

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would agree with you if you can point to a similar post being made by them when Biden was elected.

You claimed that Guardian's banners state that they are anti-Trump. They don't. Game over. And when Biden was elected, I'm pretty sure he didn't say “in this term, everybody wants to be my friend,” hence I'm pretty sure the banners were also different.

Friend, I'm not sure I follow you. My claim is still they are anti--trump based purely on their statements. You may attempt to twist their words however you like but taken at face value, they are clearly anti-trump. Their banner literally states: "This is what we're up against"
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