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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by randomNumber7 »

mulmen wrote: post #486
righthand wrote: post #482

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> those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. It’s a fallacy then. If my mentor tells me something I fact check it. Why would a world exist where you don’t have to fact check? The vision doesn’t have fact checking because the product org never envisioned that outlier. A world where you don’t have to check facts, is dystopian. It means the end…

If you can’t trust the result of a query how can you trust the check on that query which is itself a query? If no information is trustworthy how do you make progress?

By reasoning

I know it hurts

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by Malidir »

cryptozeus wrote: post #79

I would be surprised if this doesn’t take share out of google’s pie

ChatGOT already has Microsoft has snuck bing and Ai into Windows so prominently usage has gone up.

A percentage of Google's search market share is permenently gone, just a question of where it bottoms out...

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by abhpro »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #605
mulmen wrote: post #486

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If you can’t trust the result of a query how can you trust the check on that query which is itself a query? If no information is trustworthy how do you make progress?

As you check more and varied sources, you gain confidence in the result, even if you never get to 100%.

So wouldn't an aggregate, like an LLM, be the best tool here?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by newsclues »

lazerlapin wrote: post #743
marcus_holmes wrote: post #651

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I agree that this is the core question, but I'd put it as: Who Gets To Decide What Is True? With a search paradigm this wasn't an issue as much, because the answers were presented as "here's a bunch of websites that appear to deal with the question you asked". It was then up to the reader to decide which of those sites they wanted to visit, and therefore which viewpoints they got to see. With an LLM answering the que…

> A better example might be "is dietary saturated fat a major factor for heart disease in Western countries?". The current government publications (which answer "yes") for this are probably wrong based on recent research. The government cannot be relied upon as a source of truth for this. I know it was just an example, but actually no, the role of dietary saturated fat as a factor for heart disease remains very much…

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9794145/

Remarkable how easy it is to cling to propaganda

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by yurishimo »

lazerlapin wrote: post #743
marcus_holmes wrote: post #651

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this is the core question, but I'd put it as: Who Gets To Decide What Is True? With a search paradigm this wasn't an issue as much, because the answers were presented as "here's a bunch of websites that appear to deal with the question you asked". It was then up to the reader to decide which of those sites they wanted to visit, and therefore which viewpoints they got to see. With an LLM answering the que…

> A better example might be "is dietary saturated fat a major factor for heart disease in Western countries?". The current government publications (which answer "yes") for this are probably wrong based on recent research. The government cannot be relied upon as a source of truth for this. I know it was just an example, but actually no, the role of dietary saturated fat as a factor for heart disease remains very much…

I think they are referring to low-carb studies done recently. If your diet consists of only saturated fat, it does seem to be healthier for you than the standard American/Western diet that is also high in saturated fat but also quite high in sugar, wheat, and other starchy carbs. When combined, saturated fat and carbs are a hitting a double if your goal is to be unhealthy.

General disclaimers apply regarding portion sizes etc blah blah blah I'm not a doctor.

Anecdotally, a low-(ish) carb diet and fasting has done wonders for my health and many others. I will say that there appears to be a link with higher cholesterol when consuming higher amounts of fat, but the argument in nutrition science atm seems to be centered on whether or not that is "good" cholesterol, but it's hard to measure in human patients for a long time because you essentially need to put them on a very limited diet to get good data. Those large scale trials are expensive and hard to manage at scale.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by AYBABTME »

lazerlapin wrote: post #743
marcus_holmes wrote: post #651

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this is the core question, but I'd put it as: Who Gets To Decide What Is True? With a search paradigm this wasn't an issue as much, because the answers were presented as "here's a bunch of websites that appear to deal with the question you asked". It was then up to the reader to decide which of those sites they wanted to visit, and therefore which viewpoints they got to see. With an LLM answering the que…

> A better example might be "is dietary saturated fat a major factor for heart disease in Western countries?". The current government publications (which answer "yes") for this are probably wrong based on recent research. The government cannot be relied upon as a source of truth for this. I know it was just an example, but actually no, the role of dietary saturated fat as a factor for heart disease remains very much…

You can undo 50 years of research easily, by this process which we call science.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by juped »

trump2025 wrote: post #209

This might be unpopular opinion but it really isn't as big of a deal as OpenAI makes it out to be (like their previous announcements) The truth is, I haven't used ChatGPT at all since spring of this year. Claude's Sonnet 3.5 has replaced it. I pay very little attention to what OpenAI releases and simply waits for Anthropic to implement it. I also started using Gemini which already outperforms perplexity and this and…

openai is the one with the moat (name recognition of chatgpt) and can get away with a pretty cruddy product. anthropic will remain an also-ran because they foolishly focused on irrelevancies like "making the best and smartest model"

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by krm01 »

What a lot of people miss is that it's not replacing Google. It's creating a different way of interacting with the web. For example, I spent last night brainstorming a random business idea that involved international logistics. Because of this realtime Search feature, at some point in that conversation (so it didn't start as a 'let's search some web stuff', just organically happened) The topic of warehousing came up. So I asked it to find me suitable warehouses in 2 different countries and compare pricing. In a heartbeat, I was looking at something very specific, tangible and available. So a 'classical ai chat' became tangible because of this feature. I've had a similar experience a few more times with this feature. So 'searching the web' wasn't even a concept in my head, I was just deep in a conversation and ChatGPT basically went 'Let me find you X' and it just presented it. Google, or any classical search based engine, requires me to have that conversation in my head - then get to a point where my intent is clearly articulated - then I go and insert any search term.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by wruza »

wodenokoto wrote: post #684
greenavocado wrote: post #483

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Has google completely stopped working for anyone else? I can still search things, i get results but, they're an ordered list of popular places the engine is directing me to. Some kind of filtering is occurring on nearly every search i make that's making the results feel entirely useless. Image search stopped working sometime ago and now it just runs an AI filter on whatever image you search for, tells you there's a m…

I think calling it "completely stopped working" is a bit over the top. It doesn't feel magical, and it particularly doesn't feel like a gateway to new and interesting places on the internet, like it used to. But I still make hundreds of searches on google every day, so obviously it is working.

It works in the same sense that you try asking a stranger for directions and he wraps you into a fishing net and drags you to the nearest mall whose name resembles your question if shouted into a bucket.
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