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Post by jwells89 »

EthicalSimilar wrote: post #690
geysersam wrote: post #684

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If you're so focused on privacy why don't you just use Linux? With Linux you'll actually get real privacy and you'll really truly own the system. Apple takes a 30% tax on all applications running on their mobile devices. Just let that sink in. We are so incredibly lucky that never happened to PC.

As much as anyone can say otherwise, running Linux isn’t just a breeze. You will run into issues at some point, you will possibly have to make certain sacrifices regarding software or other choices. Yes it has gotten so much better over the past few years but I want my time spent on my work, not toying with the OS. Another big selling point of Apple is the hardware. Their hardware and software are integrated so seaml…

Even on the machines most well-supported by Linux, which are Intel x86 PCs with only integrated graphics and Intel wifi/bluetooth, there are still issues that need to be tinkered away like getting hardware-accelerated video decoding working in Firefox (important for keeping heat and power consumption down on laptops).

I keep around a Linux laptop and it's improved immensely in the past several years, but the experience still has rough edges to smooth out.

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Post by slmjkdbtl »

jcmontx wrote: post #20

> "up to 1.8x faster when compared to the 16-inch MacBook Pro with M1 Pro" I insist my 2020 Macbook M1 was the best purchase I ever made

I switched from a 2014 MacBook pro to a 2020 M1 MacBook Air, yeah the CPU is much faster, but the build quality and software is a huge step backwards. The trackpad is feels fake, not nearly as responsive, keyboard also feel not as solid. But now I'm already used to it.

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Post by siajdsioajd »

lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

They just have really good marketing. You fell for their pandering. If you really care about privacy use Linux. But Apple ain't it. Closed source and proprietary will never be safe from corporate greed.

>https://archive.ph/Z9z0H

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Post by nkmskdmfodf »

lukev wrote: post #554
paulryanrogers wrote: post #540

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> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.

Of course I wish the hardware were somehow more open, but to a large extent, it's directly because of hardware based privacy features. If you allowed third-party components without restraint, there'd be no way to prevent someone swapping out a component. Lock-in and planned obsolescence are also factors, and ones I'm glad the EU (and others) are pushing back here. But it isn't as if there are no legitimate tradeoffs.…

> to a large extent, it's directly because of hardware based privacy features.

First, this is 100% false. Second, security through obscurity is almost universally discouraged and considered bad practice.

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Post by herpderperator »

giantrobot wrote: post #712
tomcam wrote: post #605

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I don't know much about modern Geekbench scores, but it that chart seems to show that M1s are still pretty good? It appears that M4 is only about 50% faster. Somehow I would expect more like 100% improvement. Flameproof suit donned. Please correct me because I'm pretty ignorant about modern hardware. My main interest is playing lots of tracks live in Logic Pro.

The M1 was pretty fast when it debuted. If you own an M1 Mac its CPU has not gotten any slower over the years. While newer M-series might be faster, the old one is no slower. The M1s are likely to remain pretty usable machines for a few years yet, assuming your workload has not or does not significantly change.

No CPU gets slow after any amount of years. That's not how it works. I think what you're trying to say is: Software gets more resource-intensive.

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Post by crossroadsguy »

lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

Of late I have been imagining tears of joy rolling down the face of the person who decides to take it upon themself to sing the paeans of Apple Privacy Theatre on a given day. While Apple has been gleefully diluting privacy on their platforms (along with quality and stability of course). They are the masters at selling dystopian control, lock in, and software incompetence as something positive.

It's most dangerous that they own the closed hardware and they own the closed software and then they also get away with being "privacy champions". It's worse than irony.

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Post by opdahl »

opjjf wrote: post #5

It seems they also update the base memory on MacBook Air: > MacBook Air: The World’s Most Popular Laptop Now Starts at 16GB > MacBook Air is the world’s most popular laptop, and with Apple Intelligence, it’s even better. Now, models with M2 and M3 double the starting memory to 16GB, while keeping the starting price at just $999 — a terrific value for the world’s best-selling laptop.

Just cancelled my order for a 24GB MacBook Air 15-inch, and then ordered the exact same setup. Saved around $300!

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Post by wpm »

spiderice wrote: post #651
mattegan wrote: post #471

It pains me deeply that they used Autodesk Fusion in one of the app screenshots. It is by far the worst piece of software I use on Mac OS. Wish the nano-texture display was available when I upgraded last year. The last MacBook I personally bought was in 2012 when the first retina MBP had just released. I opted for the "thick" 15" high-res matte option. Those were the days...

Wait really? I love Fusion 360. I suppose I use it on Windows though. Is it significantly worse on Mac?

Oh its awful on the Mac.

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Post by khrbtxyz »

School-Cotton wrote: post #277
jitl wrote: post #204

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For many years I treated Windows or macOS as a hypervisor - if you love Linux but want the Mac hardware, instant sleep & wake, etc, putting a full screen VM in Parallels or similar is imo better than running Linux in terms of productivity, although it falls short on “freedom”.

I do the same thing, but there are two big caveats: 1. Nested virtualization doesn't work in most virtualization software, so if your workflow involves running stuff in VMs it is not going to work from within another VM. The exception is apparently now the beta version of UTM with the Apple Virtualization backend, but that's highly experimental. 2. Trackpad scrolling is emulated as discrete mouse wheel clicks, which…

Nested virtualization needs at least an M3

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/vzg...

This is the sad situation on my M2 MacBook Pro :(

  $ swift repl
  Welcome to Apple Swift version 6.0.2 (swiftlang-6.0.2.1.2 clang-1600.0.26.4).
  Type :help for assistance.
    1> import Virtualization
    2> VZGenericPlatformConfiguration.isNestedVirtualizationSupported
  $R0: Bool = false

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Post by gen220 »

0wis wrote: post #498
jader201 wrote: post #483

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> I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. My 2015 MBP would like to have a word. It’s the only laptop purchase I’ve made. I still use it to this day, though not as regularly. I will likely get a new MBP one of these days.

If we are going this way… I still use a mid-2012 MBP as my main workstation. Last one with upgrade capabilities, now it has two fast SSDs and maximum Ram. I changed the battery once. Only shame is that it doesn’t get major MacOS upgrades anymore. Still good enough to browse the web, do office productivity and web development. 12 years of good use, I am not sure I can get so much value anywhere now

I was also a mid-2012 MBP user. I eventually got the M2 MBA because I was investing in my eyesight (modern displays are significantly better). I was never impressed with the touchbar-era macs, they didn't appeal to me and their keyboards were terrible.

I think this M-series macbook airs are a worthy successor to the 2012 MBP. I fully intend to use this laptop for at least the same amount of time, ideally more. The lack of replaceable battery will probably be the eventual killer, which is a shame.

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