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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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High skilled immigrants also create demand, which creates labour demand. So it’s not clear that they suppress wages.

How exactly is it that highly skilled tech immigrants create demand?

They get a salary. And they spend it.

Thought experiment: If you removed half of the population of a country, would that make the rest of the country richer or poorer?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

Noduerne, may I ask a question? I hope I do not offend you.

I know that million of white men died fighting against the Germans in WW2.

Why is it that 95% of what I hear from Jews is condemnation if white men for being NAZIs, when the majority of white men and the winning side fought against the Germans?

It seems like there should be a 60% gratitude to 40% condemnation split.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> And then, once again, Europe blames the groups it refuses to accept. Can you explain in what way did this manifest in Sweden for instance? Or have any data/evidence besides some semi-vague claims about antisemitism and some immutable characteristics of European societies (which are hardly monolithic to begin with). It's not that I even necessarily disagree with what you're saying but unfortunately your comment is 8…

As a Swede, we have always been very bad letting foreigners in. Most, even otherwise liberal and well educated, have been low key racist. One part has been that anyone not speaking perfect Swedish has been seen as bit stupid. Having a foreign sounding name has made it much harder to get to an interview. Imagine growing up with hard working parents with engineering or medical degrees working as cleaners because no one…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I think that's really underselling the political persecution that many have suffered in Cuba. It's far and away from just wanting reparations for land grabs. We have sanctions on Cuba for the same reason we have sanctions on Russia and Venezuela now- we don't want to fund what their government is doing, and allying with them gives us little to nothing in return. That said, it's pretty obvious that economic sanctions…

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- Supporting regimes

- Working against them with sanctions

Don’t you see any other options here?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I wonder what a sensible way forward for Cubans is, and their government. What would it take for the US to lift sanctions (I assume a radical shift within Cuba's government), and for Cuba itself (as a whole) to restructure their government in a way that would benefit them and everyone. Cuba would be a great travel destination. Their cigars aren't as on par anymore as far as I know, but there's potential there, Nicara…

> What would it take for the US to lift sanctions (I assume a radical shift within Cuba's government), and for Cuba itself (as a whole) to restructure their government in a way that would benefit them and everyone. It's irrelevant. Hard-line socialist countries don't voluntarily decide to change their government: their countries collapse and start over again. While sanctions on Cuba are irrelevant to the US these day…

Hardline socialist countries sometimes survive. Less hardline socialist countries get coup’ed or otherwise brutally interfered with (e.g. Chile).

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> The majority of the people who came here from Europe in the 1700s and 1800s were laborers, factory workers, farmers, and other simple occupations. Why are we pulling up the ladder behind them? The welfare state did not exist in that time, so the cost of absorbing immigration was confined to acculturation. Immigrants had to quickly start generating value or perish. The incentives are radically different now and the…

It takes energy to fight entropy. I believe that the entropic state of human civilization is brutal authoritarianism. Fight the current, indeed. It's quite remarkable how effectively the citizens of the United States have managed to do that over the years. To resist the sweet, seductive lies of utopians who seek power. I hope we're able to continue.

That’s insightful and terrifying at the same time

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

>One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? I will speak from the perspective of one who emigrated to the US. Every new group is initially seen as "the other". After some point, however, employers that hire "the other" may find that they can pay them less because there is less demand to hire them, and thus benefit financially, they hire more. As other employers follow suit, over time the sa…

"Indian" is not a monolith.

Neither is "Punjabi", "Gujarati", or "Pahari" which are most South Asians in the UK.

I'm South Asian American with family in Europe, and in all honestly Asians in Europe aren't as well integrated because of Europeans.

The US and Canada is nowhere as passive aggressively racist as Europe is (well, Massachusetts is very similar in it's attitude).

In much of North America, there is still buy-in for the "Horatio Alger" story and communities are fairly used to immigrants.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

Economists say every immigrant is a net economic positive to the nation. They eat,buy food clothing, cars. Every immigrant child is a net negative to the state,at least until they turn 18. But it isn't even. Net neg per kid of maybe 800 a year, positive of each adult of 1200-1600 are the numbers I've heard on freakonomics podcast. Their guests proposed solution was to have the feds pay the states per an immigrant chi…

False: https://inquisitivebird.substack.com/p/the-effects-of-immigr...

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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As a Cuban that is currently living in Cuba, I think it might be useful to voice my opinions, as I have read some comments here which I consider less than accurate in some respects. To avoid typing too much, I'll summarize with... bullet points? * The published figure of 10 million people is already outdated. First, they are official figures, which means that they are not telling the truth. Second, six months have el…

Argentino here. I think Venezuela is going through the same issues. We had A LOT of Venezuelan immigrants in Arg and Chile and they said the same thing you're saying: that people leaving were the "brave, smart, willing to work people" and the ones remaining were the scum. Can I ask you what are the reasons you decide to stay?

Im in a similar situation than GP. Leaving can be expensive and dangerous, more so if one does not have support on the other side. I have people that directly depend on me (little kids, elderly parents) and not just financially. Some people may say "you can help them better when you are out, send remittances, get them out too" but its just complicated.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

Interestingly various European nations turn out to be a poor comparison group for the United States. No one has conclusively determined why yet, but we know there's a strong correlation between a country having English as the primary language and immigrants integrating well. This is especially true for second-generation immigrants. First generation immigrants are general less likely to commit crimes, but in countries…

> No one has conclusively determined why yet

Ask immigrants or the children of immigrants (like me).

Western Europe are just extremely insular and passive aggressive and will gladly bury their head in the sand regarding their own racism.

Anglo countries at least tried to tackle racism by introducing education about racism (eg. Civil Rights Movement in US, Aboriginal Rights Movement in Australia, First Nation's Movement and racial quotas in Canada, the anti-Skinhead movement and the trade union lead anti-racism movement in the UK) and trying to build an identity that trascends race or ethnicity.

Similar movements happened in mainland Europe as well, but aren't taught about, so mainland Europeans remain insular in their mindset.

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