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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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For comparison, in 2022 Mozilla had $1.3B in assets and over $500M in revenue: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-202... I want ladybird to succeed and show the world how ridiculous the Mozilla situation has been.

Brave already proved this, you don't need to wait for ladybird to prove it.

Brave is backed by Chromium.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

#763

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I tried the bookmark bar and could find no difference. The bookmark manager for FF seems far more advanced, with Chrome going the simplicity, beauty, and lack of information route. I use bookmarks heavily.

Really ? Here are bookmarks on FF-based Mullvad Browser (I stopped using FF proper a long time ago) https://imgur.com/a/RSy8B2L Here are bookmarks on Chromium-based Iridium browser https://imgur.com/a/k2Kwk0I Where does it look easier to manage bookmarks ?

> Where does it look easier to manage bookmarks ?

Above.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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They were working on that years ago. After several decades with no success I think they've mostly given up and just profit from it now.

What? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40693451 In what way do they directly profit from piracy?

Can't speak for others... but I generally pay for a few streaming services at a time. I find a lot of the UX just poor to very bad. I will favor those with shows that I watch. I still torrent the shows themselves as it's easier (for me) to do that then to deal with the various apps on my Shield (they're still there, as my SO seems to use them for random watching).

The networks can still track (to some extent) what shows are popular as torrents, and use that to inform their other advertising efforts. A break out (good) show may show indicators on torrents from word of mouth outside their network, and they can then feature that show in their banner areas.

These aren't likely "profit" directly, but they are and can be factors. Another point is loyalty from those who are able to pay, when they are able to pay. Assuming prohibitive costs are what is mainly keeping people from paying for the content.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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>Personally, I think life would be better if browsers just didn't play the game at all. A web browser is a user agent. Why is the browser deciding anything one way or another? Let the user decide by providing options one way or another. If the user wants DRM access, let them; why is it the browser's business? Again, the two important words: User agent. The freedom to decide and choose is what helped Firefox take out…

There should be a great diversity in user agents because there is great diversity in personal tastes. One person's user agent might be another person's "software I would never use". As a text-only web user I am continually amazed, thirty years in, that web developers and now their CDN service providers are _still_ making incorrect assumptions about what user agent I am using. They are wrong every single time. There i…

> it is "protecting" servers from web users who will not involuntarily provide commercially useful data/information

I don't think it comes down to that, I think it's more about the fact that your browser likely looks more like a bot than it does a human.

Also, rate limiting has a significant overhead and complexity at scale, where agent filtering is relatively cheap and easy to distribute. Though, this is largely a problem that has been resolved many, many times over and the additional overhead is not that bad. All said, I've met too many developers that don't conceptually understand public/private key encryption and would assume they'd mess up rate limiting.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Really ? Here are bookmarks on FF-based Mullvad Browser (I stopped using FF proper a long time ago) https://imgur.com/a/RSy8B2L Here are bookmarks on Chromium-based Iridium browser https://imgur.com/a/k2Kwk0I Where does it look easier to manage bookmarks ?

As I said, style over substance is indeed what chrome offers. Can’t even see the damn URLs at a glance.

So, on what "substance" does FF beat Chrome on bookmarks ?

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

#767
Apologies for the late question, I only just found this thread.

I work at Brave, VP of IT. I worked at Mozilla for 5 years. So have some experience with browsers.

I see our insanely high infrastructure bill each month, most of the cost comes down to CDN/distribution of updates, block lists, safe browsing etc. But we also have a bunch of other costs for staff to maintain said infrastructure and security.

If you get to scale, what is the plan here? Because $1M won't get you a very long runway and the moment browsers stop doing what they should be doing well, they die. Wishing you the best of luck.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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As I said, style over substance is indeed what chrome offers. Can’t even see the damn URLs at a glance.

So, on what "substance" does FF beat Chrome on bookmarks ?

You keep not reading my comments, why ask questions?

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Brave already proved this, you don't need to wait for ladybird to prove it.

Brave is backed by Chromium.

They run their own engine with an independent index, something Mozilla never did, while still on a smaller budget.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Hrrm. legacyPackages.x86_64-linux.ladybird (0-unstable-2024-06-04) Cool! Let's see if I can read HN. nix run nixpkgs#ladybird ... 502144.831 Ladybird(1297933): WebContent process crashed! 502144.831 Ladybird(1297933): WebContent has crashed 5 times in quick succession! Not restarting... ... I didn't expect it to work very well yet in a distro, so that's ok. It's cool enough that nix(os) has already started tracking i…

As with many other packages, on NixOS you have to enable the relevant option: https://search.nixos.org/options?show=programs.ladybird.enab...

If that doesn't work, please open an issue in the nixpkgs bug tracker.

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