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About your last paragraph: The key to me about Facebook, and eventually, Instagram, the visual is simply more powerful to humans than written words. This is why people started chasing fame with good looks as soon as the Internet "went visual". I had a thought last week: When I was in high school (very early Internet years), older people told me the "popular" people will fade away when you go to university. For most p…
Well I'd say that Instagram was yet another inflection point, where relationships with strangers returned in parasocial many-to-one form, in place of the one-on-one intimacy afforded by ICQ. At the time of ICQ, chat programs were the sole means of discovering and connecting to people, and allowed people to connect to strangers based on location. I made real life friends, who I met in person on ICQ. I suppose this kin…
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Unfortunately projects are increasingly using Discord or Slack instead of IRC.
How can we oppose to this? At least open source projects should use open source communication tools.
I strongly agree.
I think there are a few steps the community could take.
• Promote awareness of this, put it in licence agreements or contributor guidelines.
• Document how to find and how to use FOSS comms tools.
• Pidgin is the best we have for now. It needs an update, so the package includes as many protocol connectors as possible as standard, together with docs how to enable and use them. Getting away from crappy web apps embedded in Electron is pretty important, especially for bringing xBSD and so on on board.
• A corresponding update for Adium would be good, too.
A few years ago I worked for a major Linux vendor and I had Pidgin talking to IRC, Rocket.chat, Slack, Telegram, Skype, Google $CHAT_NAME_OF_THE_MONTH, and all my other services... but it took considerable manual effort.
The result was working multiprotocol chat in about 10% of the RAM usage of the Franz Electron client.
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First thought: I had assumed ICQ was long dead. It seemed impossible anything from that era could still be running. IRC is of course, through the grace of an ecosystem, but it is a tiny fraction of what it was. Second thought: how do people randomly connect to talk now? Comments sections mostly? I have long ago stopped seeking new connections of any variety.
I was under the impression that ICQ turned off when AIM did.,
https://techcrunch.com/2010/04/28/aol-sells-instant-messagin...
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Got to love HN. "You clicked the download link wrong".
You need to understand us. I'm happy to believe the internet was slow and unreliable back them especially from the countryside (actually, I know it for a fact), but assuming a 7 hour night and a 1 second wav file (176.4 * 1000 * 8 = 1411200 bits, I made a mistake in my last comment) would mean 56 bits per second, that's 7 bytes/sec, that would be unusable to browse the web, even by the standards of this past. That's…
I don't think I ever stated the download took all night. I said I left the computer connected to the Internet overnight, and it cost $$$ when you pay per hour.
During the day, yes it was taking hours. That does not mean it was downloading at some consistent rate for hours. I would start the download, then it would slow, then stall, and I would leave it and come back later to see it timed out. Rinse and repeat until I tried at night time. For some reason you all are trying to explain why this is impossible using math without considering any other factors (downloads can timeout, IE didn't resume downloads, picking up the phone would disconnect the connection, etc).
Did you all never download those 15-30 part warez versions on Photoshop, 3DS Max, etc. back in the day? I'm talking later, e.g. 28.8 modem days. It would take me several days, and in some cases a week, to download all of those parts. Sure, they were much larger. But the download would stop, timeout, pause for long periods. It wasn't simply a math equation: File size, modem capability = x minutes. I did not work on the infra side of Nintendo.com or any warez site as a pre-teen so I can't comment further on their scalability.
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Isn't that what Beeper or Ferdium are doing? And there's still libpurple/Pidgin. [1] https://www.beeper.com/ [2] https://ferdium.org/
Interesting, need to check but so far the modern methods of multi protocol messaging was mostly just aggregating the web UIs of the various services in a single application (read: like a web browser) Pidgin, Miranda, Adium are the things I was referring to - would be cool if I could use them for whatsapp, signal, gmail chat/hangouts but I don‘ think thats possible. Happy to get corrected here.
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How can we oppose to this? At least open source projects should use open source communication tools.
> At least open source projects should use open source communication tools I strongly agree. I think there are a few steps the community could take. • Promote awareness of this, put it in licence agreements or contributor guidelines. • Document how to find and how to use FOSS comms tools. • Pidgin is the best we have for now. It needs an update, so the package includes as many protocol connectors as possible as stand…
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At some point I had MSN, AIM, ICQ, Yahoo and irc and pidgn came to save me. There were also cool places to hang out like Yahoo Games or a few of the location based chat apps that were fun to connect to strangers and just chat. Discord is so walled garden it's awful in this respect. I also miss the VRML world builders like CyberTown https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyberTown
Pidgin was pretty awesome, though its underlying library was so riddled with vulnerabilities… I greatly enjoyed how with XMPP’s in-band registration you could do things like give each contact a unique XMPP address, only to be used with them. You could have unlimited (well, I never hit a limit) accounts, across a load of servers, proxies per account, unique OTR keys per account, etc. I don’t think the UI has really be…
That said, the vulnerabilities in "libpurple" were way over hyped by someone who rightfully got kicked out of the security community. Most of those vulnerabilities were in fact in protocol implementations that are plug-ins to libpurple and not libpurple itself. I know it's a technicality, but hearing this blatant lie get repeated for over a decade is exhausting.
This makes me sad. I mean, I haven't logged in in about 20 years now, and couldn't if I wanted to (don't have the password or access to the email address). But I had a low five digit user number, and built a lot of relationships on ICQ (some of which continue today!). It was my main method of electronic communication in college. I had romantic relationships live and die on ICQ. Another reminder of how things change o…
58843787 Managed to remember it along with my password from 20+ years ago and it allowed me to login! Really amazing actually it's been around this long.
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> At least open source projects should use open source communication tools I strongly agree. I think there are a few steps the community could take. • Promote awareness of this, put it in licence agreements or contributor guidelines. • Document how to find and how to use FOSS comms tools. • Pidgin is the best we have for now. It needs an update, so the package includes as many protocol connectors as possible as stand…
We're working hard on that update.. But volunteers only have so much time, but hopefully we'll have an alpha soon (tm).
On Pidgin? Cool. I am surprised but I managed to get Pidgin working on macOS via Brew yesterday, which automatically installed a recent version of WINE, to my considerable surprise.
It wouldn't connect to anything and I couldn't find where, in one OS's emulated filesystem on top of my real OS's rather complex filesystem, I could put plugins, but hey, it started and ran and that's quite impressive.
Given that Gtk apps such as Geany manage to run on macOS, I thought a native Unix port of Pidgin would be an easier effort than the Windows one, but hey.