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Vast majority of Americans have a garage. You can charge on a normal outlet but it's easy enough to bring an electrician in to upgrade to 240v.
4 in 10 americans can’t come up with $400 without taking on debt. They aren’t bringing in electricians unless they are rich.
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I had the exact same experience as you, with one additional fun complication. Hertz never included the CCS charging adapter with my Telsa rental. Also they charged me $130 for not returning it. Fun car. Incredibly unintuitive. If you're renting an EV, make a checklist.
> If you're renting an EV, make a checklist. Just Tesla though. I have driven other EVs (Kia, Chevy, Toyota) and haven't had any of these problems.
I'd only ever driven an ICE. Connectors and apps weren't a thing I was prepared for.
Im bullish on EVs but I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs. EVs are best for the types of driving we do on a day-to-day basis. Short commutes in areas we know well. Charge at home over night and 95% of the year you never worry about charging. Renting a car means I'm usually either driving long distances or im somewhere new and I don't know about the local charging infr…
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> It of course, didn't accept my non-Swiss credit card If I can't use the vehicle without needing to carry a working cellular-connected computer running a specific operating system in my pocket and/or having a specific category of bank card, that's a hard 'no' for me. Either have the car negotiate payment with the charging network or give me the option of handing currency to a person at a register. Otherwise I insist…
Charging Teslas with Tesla Superchargers is as streamlined as possible: just plug in. Charging non-Teslas at SCs is almost as good, you just need to tell the app which unit you're plugged into. It's third-party chargers that are an endless source of frustration.
That's not the "just need to" that works for me. For privacy reasons I don't carry a device that constantly reports my personal information to Apple or Google. Can I install this app from F-Droid? Strike one.
Now supposing I decide I'm cool with being tracked by Apple or Google all the time and use a device I can get the app on. Do I need to register an account with the app? With my personal information? So the fact that I am driving a specific Tesla vehicle along with my location can be tracked by Tesla? Strike two.
Now supposing I decide I'm cool with being tracked by Apple or Google and Tesla, do I need to register a Visa or Mastercard with the app so I can also be tracked by the payment provider, who will sell my transactions to random third-party eReceipt brokers who will dutifully add my travel habits to the profile they keep on me? Strike three.
Nope. Not playing any of these games. Gas car, cash. Thank you very much.
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> I was told I need to return the car charged or I would be billed for "filling it up". I was confused why they couldn't charge at the airport and also explained that if I charge near my hotel it will likely not be 100% when I get to the airport. They couldn't say if that was ok. This is the same with gas cars. It's very frustrating because they're directly being dicks to their customers. You have 3 options 1. Bring…
When you rent a gas car, you don't have to bring it back full. You have to bring it back with as much, if not more fuel than it left with. So if you get it with 1/2 a tank, you can bring it back with 1/2 a tank. They usually give you a chart when they give you the keys that tells you how much fuel it has currently, and how much fuel you would need to add from empty to avoid paying extra fees. So whether you're in ele…
So I was usually able to find a gas station near the airport rental, and get as close as possible to topping off (if the car was a full tank when I first picked it up). I've never tried to rent an EV, so I'm not sure how easy that would be in a comparable situation. Probably not very.
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> brand popped up and offered a gasoline ICE with old toyota-level reliability and longevity, and without electronics Bought that car last year for about 20K - Kia Rio 5 door. Wonderful little car.
Oh yeah? I will definitely look it up. Thanks for the info.
Edit: I forgot but I have some bad news, Kia is probably killing the Rio so you might be out of luck. Makes sense as the dealerships heavily promote the Forte and barely stock any Rios. The salespeople were a little surprised we loved the Rio so much, I think it's just too small for most Americans.
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I did some (academic) research in a group working on storage (tanks and metal hydrides), so yeah, I know why it's only 3 and they all did it 20 years ago. Sources for such into aren't private, but I have the feeling you've never looked at them.
20 years ago? These are sold now. Today. So much denial in the anti h2 crowd.
I'm not anti H2, why would I? I'm not part of any crowd. I just did part of my physics training on the subject.
20 years ago, while there were more H2 vehicles on the road, nobody in the H2 storage fields thought it would last. On a basc level, the physics of getting electrons out of a material is better than getting protons out. And then there is an already preexisting infrastructure for free.
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Im in Europe, so that doesnt matter. And even if they had then here top, they'd be useless to me, because Teslas are too large for me.
Maybe you'd be a 2025 Model 2[0] customer? [0] https://www.whatcar.com/news/tesla-model-2/n25636
But since Tesla is leading the bottom in reliability scores, it's still quite unlikely I'm getting one.
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What are they like the in the US? I've searched and on the face of it they look just like the ones I used in the UK with two types of connector (like in the picture at https://thedriven.io/2022/02/27/where-can-you-charge-a-tesla... )
Correct. I've lived both in US (Cali) and EU (Sweden) with a Tesla. And apart from that's is a different plug there's virtually no difference at all. 250kW DC charging. No problems.
I'm sure they are the best, those Tesla stations, you're just gonna have to go out of your way for them, around here at least. Hope you got the right card. Or your leasing company. Or your car rental. Etc.
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Other possible reasons - We're in a recession (at least if you aren't upper middle class or above) - Dealers are still acting like there's a supply shortage, so prices are still up but lots are full - Everyone (pretty much) but tesla has commited to migrating to NACS, so if you buy a car now you'll need an adapter, and depending on where you are tesla's chargers are have half the speed if you're using the adapter (li…
> - We're in a recession (at least if you aren't upper middle class or above) I'm sorry, what recession? https://www.americanprogress.org/article/workers-paychecks-a... > In the year ending in November, real wages grew by about 0.8 percent for all workers and 1.1 percent for the 80% of workers who are production and non-supervisory workers. Further, wage inequality fell. The ratio of wages at the 90th percentile comp…
My use of recession there may be a bit glib and poorly chosen, but people are feeling like job security is way down, and finding a new job is a way slower prospect than it has been. Every non-upper middle class and up person I regularly talk to has locked down their finances, upper middle and up seems to be less effected but still less likely to buy big purchases with interest higher than it has been in 15ish years.
I do thank you for your links though, those recovery stats are better than I thought they were, I probably should have put that reason on the bottom of my list with a disclaimer, I try to be much less doom and gloom than some of my family but it came across stronger here than I meant it too.