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Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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This is the kind of person we have controlling the future of AI. He and Elon Musk. Between these two we are assured complete destruction.

What is wrong with Musk again?

The blatant lying, mostly. https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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ironically, that’s too simplistic. Simplicity is only virtuous in an explanation if the explanation itself is not contradicted by reality. Unbound from reality, simplicity is dangerously seductive because it’s easy and wrong.

very glib (though true) - but do you have any evidence in this case as to what reality is? If so, could you please explain how the given statement is "contradicted by reality"?

I was just addressing the notion that the simplicity of the conspiracy theory was evidence of its veracity - it is not. If you're asking if I have evidence against the nonsensical conspiracy theory that third party praise given about a recently fired CEO can be construed as evidence of a secret ownership stake in the charity that fired him, I'm going to leave that to the judgement of the reader.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Your reg dates are 2012 and 2014. As you know, this is hacker news. not c-level news, not middle management news.. hacker news.

Like I said, we all have roles to play. I suppose you missed that. May you learn along the way in your career.

I didn't miss anything. May you start your learning journey soon.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Your reg dates are 2012 and 2014. As you know, this is hacker news. not c-level news, not middle management news.. hacker news.

Thinking about this, can you think of a great hacker who isn't C-level? Look at the most famous programmers of all time, or people who've made the most popular tools like Ruby on Rails, and they're all C-level.

While I don't follow 'great' hackers, here's some names. I haven't actually checked to see if they held C-level positions so some might have.

Yukihiro Matsumoto, Satoshi Nakamoto, Linus Torvalds, Jeff Dean, Aaron Swartz, Richard Stallman, Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie, Guido van Rossum, Yann LeCun, Andrej Karpathy

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Your reg dates are 2012 and 2014. As you know, this is hacker news. not c-level news, not middle management news.. hacker news.

That's exactly the point. I'm C level, but at heart, I'm a hacker and and engineer, and have been for what, 24 years now (sobering). Reflecting on this isn't a criticism (though we all know how touchy engineer-types can be) -- it's just an acknowledgment. To E-types, firing is loss of job, loss of livelihood, to C-types, it's a reposition of an asset, a reassignment of a resource to a new project. All we're doing her…

> though we all know how touchy engineer-types can be

I am unfamiliar with this

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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One thing I've universally noticed in unintelligent/conspiratorial political analysis is they think you can explain everything by "following the money", like here. These people are sometimes known as "low-information voters". It's amazing how much this is actually never true. Politics is largely about sincerely-held ideologies.

Take a look at the highly conspiratorial website https://www.opensecrets.org for an example of how i enquire by looking at sources and money flow helping me realise most politicians are bought by lobby groups working for the owning classes and vote thereafter, not "sincere belief in ideology". This "you're just a conspiracy nut" perspective for looking at actual networks of power and sources, became common after jour…

> Take a look at the highly conspiratorial website https://www.opensecrets.org for an example of how i enquire by looking at sources and money flow helping me realise most politicians are bought by lobby groups working for the owning classes and vote thereafter, not "sincere belief in ideology".

Generally when I see people use this they're misreading it. For instance, they'll see donations from people working at Google to a campaign and think they're donations "by Google" to a campaign, but companies can't donate to campaigns. It's also unlikely politicians sincerely care that much about a campaign donation capped at $3000.

In general if you think things are about the money you should be happy with politics, because the highest-raising politicians are Bernie Sanders and crew with $25 Actblue donations. But what actually happens is that they raise more money than Republican politicians and then still lose elections in red states. Republican voters and politicians both actually believe what they're saying.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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One thing I've universally noticed in unintelligent/conspiratorial political analysis is they think you can explain everything by "following the money", like here. These people are sometimes known as "low-information voters". It's amazing how much this is actually never true. Politics is largely about sincerely-held ideologies.

> Politics is largely about sincerely-held ideologies Close. Politics is about interests. It’s about who gets the resources and who gets status and dignity and who doesn’t. There are a lot of sincerely held ideologies that rise up around those questions. But if you don’t analyze politics through that lens you’re fucking delusional.

> It’s about who gets the resources and who gets status and dignity and who doesn’t.

These three things are all opposing; you can't "and" them. And you shouldn't put the first one first, as people in the first world are generally too rich to care about it, and when they do care they never put any work into figuring out what would benefit them.

Thus you get votes for president based on gas prices, trust fund kids being communists, Mississippi continually voting 100% for the party that keeps them at the bottom of every state ranking, people thinking the Iraq War was for oil, people thinking the current Ukraine War is good for Russia, and so on.

nb when I said sincerely held ideologies I meant for the people in politics; voters largely have sincerely held nonsensical positions they haven't thought about much, or in other words are "cross-pressured".

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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One thing I've universally noticed in unintelligent/conspiratorial political analysis is they think you can explain everything by "following the money", like here. These people are sometimes known as "low-information voters". It's amazing how much this is actually never true. Politics is largely about sincerely-held ideologies.

That's an incredibly unintelligent "everything is fine move along" comment. Seeing how it contains nothing of value whatsover, I'm surprised it's this short, usually they're several paragraphs. These people are sometimes known as the lazy ones amongst the unintelligent ones.

The average normie "everything is fine" position is not that intelligent. The problem is that the first level cynical reaction is /even worse/.

That's why it's a minority position. Most people aren't low-openness conspiracy theorists.

It's like the midwit meme where the people at both ends agree.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but...So any counterpoint to your AGI view is irrational pessimism? I'm not bein doomer, this is just what I see going forward. I think AGI can be positive, but it depends vastly how we configure that. And this is not the path that I see is best. That's it. I get if you're a 100% AGI optimist and see any dissent to that as out of touch, but it's a leeetl disrespectfully reductive to try t…

“DisRespect and insult” is a strange take on strategic advice. And While I’m already probably on a few lists, I don’t feel safe spelling it all out

I didn't say "insult", but "doomer" is not strategic advice, right? That's what I meant. "Doomer" is a bad thing, yeah? You didn't have to say that. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but it just seems like you were being disrespectful and reductive of other people's views, as I said.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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That's an incredibly unintelligent "everything is fine move along" comment. Seeing how it contains nothing of value whatsover, I'm surprised it's this short, usually they're several paragraphs. These people are sometimes known as the lazy ones amongst the unintelligent ones.

The average normie "everything is fine" position is not that intelligent. The problem is that the first level cynical reaction is /even worse/. That's why it's a minority position. Most people aren't low-openness conspiracy theorists. It's like the midwit meme where the people at both ends agree.

You're just proving their point by calling what they wrote conspiracy theory, without refuting or even interacting with a single thing they actually said, to claim politics is "actually never" about money or power grabs, and "almost always" about sincerely held beliefs. That's just laughable.
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