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Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by ricardobayes »

kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

He's not wrong on this occasion, there are multiple companies out there, some even with a multi-billion dollar valuation that "farm" tweets for many reasons.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by 3cats-in-a-coat »

Havoc wrote: post #750
kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Disables API, gets scraped, needs more servers. Congrats you played yourself.

Disables API, gets scraped, needs more servers, disables access without logins, gets millions of fake accounts, has to deal with the fake accounts, in the process deletes tons of real accounts, users pissed, scraping continues, server bills keep rising...

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by mihaaly »

No problem for me.

(just for the statistics, I know it does not matter what is problem for me specifically and what not, just one point of view added. a person like me nervous about tracking my internet activity and blocks embedded twitter, does not like the twitter lifestyle of brief, single viewpoint, and oppinionated texts so never goes there by will, there will be no change. well written articles are much better anyway than brief and sudden reactions the twitter is made for, basicly smalltalk before the real conversation.)

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by mgiannopoulos »

realusername wrote: post #752
benjaminwootton wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon has a good point there. Much of the current AI hotness is predicated on stealing peoples content and exploiting the infrastructure that other people have built. I don’t think it’s acceptable. The licenses, compensation models, law, technical solutions, attribution, security and privacy all need time to catch up. Regulation has a role to play as its a bit of a free for all right now. The irony of Elon mentioning…

It's not like Twitter is compensating tweet authors either. For using art the debate is still opened in my opinion even if I'm personally not in favor of it but I don't see how those platforms built on user made content (even more of a clear cut than AI) can have a say on this

They have announced a plan to compensate creators based on ads shown and also have implemented a subscribers feature (people paying users for special access to some tweets)

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by ricardobayes »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #691
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #682

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual problem seems to be that a large number entities now want a full copy of the entire site. But why not just... provide it? Charge however much for a box of hard drives containing every publicly-available tweet, mailed to the address of buyer's choosing. Then the startups get their stupid tweets and you don't have any load problems on your servers.

What do you even charge for that? We might never make a repository of human made content with no Ai postings in it ever again. Seems like selling the golden goose to me

It doesn't matter all that much. Smaller but better data is better for training than a large, but garbage dataset.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by irthomasthomas »

dang wrote: post #650
nunez wrote: post #110

This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet. This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(

HN isn't next. We hate change. (More precisely: we're acutely aware that users hate change, and since we do too, it's kind of an easy call.) Also, the value of HN to YC consists of the community and keeping the community happy is therefore a must. (Did I say happy? More precisely: as happy as possible under the circumstances)

You did say, recently, that you don't like the idea of paid third-party apps using the HN API.[0]

I thought that was an odd change for HN. After all, the majority of the value still accrues to the HN owners. In fact, user's that are prepared to pay for an app to access a free website largely comprised of adverts, are typically more valuable than the rest. Those users have money to burn and skin in the game!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36363325

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by xvector »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #718
dang wrote: post #650

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN isn't next. We hate change. (More precisely: we're acutely aware that users hate change, and since we do too, it's kind of an easy call.) Also, the value of HN to YC consists of the community and keeping the community happy is therefore a must. (Did I say happy? More precisely: as happy as possible under the circumstances)

I’ve been here for 6 years and the format is still a breath of fresh air when I come back from things like Twitter or Reddit. It’s not that I’m opposed to change really. I love good ideas, and being surprised by new and unfamiliar things is usually a joy. Communication via text is hard to improve upon though, and I’m not convinced any major social media platforms have found ways to improve this in any meaningful ways…

I grew up on the 'modern web' and I love HN's format the most.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by bob-09 »

croes wrote: post #759
benjaminwootton wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon has a good point there. Much of the current AI hotness is predicated on stealing peoples content and exploiting the infrastructure that other people have built. I don’t think it’s acceptable. The licenses, compensation models, law, technical solutions, attribution, security and privacy all need time to catch up. Regulation has a role to play as its a bit of a free for all right now. The irony of Elon mentioning…

But is Twitter a good source for AIs?

Used responsibly, of course it is. A developer is able to ingest current language used in exchanges about current topics, as well as cite prominent sources that are still using the platform.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by crvdgc »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #577
Terr_ wrote: post #245

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For me the main barrier is that I want to have portable/roaming control over my IDENTITY , even if the content hosting is (for now) entirely through a system administered by someone else. If I control the identity, I can at least keep local copies and rehost/repost content later. Instead, it feels like the current Fediverse demands that I make a blind choice to entrust not merely a copy of my content but also my whol…

Didn’t the guy who founded the web basically make something like that?

Yes, Tim-Berners Lee led the Solid project[1], which reverses the client/server identity and data model. The user will store their own data and the service provider can only access it under the policy set by the user.

The promise is that one can not only transfer the identity and all personal data across instances of a single service, but also across different services (imagine from mastodon to Lemmy).

Sadly, it never caught on.

[1]: https://solidproject.org/

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by benjaminwootton »

realusername wrote: post #752
benjaminwootton wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon has a good point there. Much of the current AI hotness is predicated on stealing peoples content and exploiting the infrastructure that other people have built. I don’t think it’s acceptable. The licenses, compensation models, law, technical solutions, attribution, security and privacy all need time to catch up. Regulation has a role to play as its a bit of a free for all right now. The irony of Elon mentioning…

It's not like Twitter is compensating tweet authors either. For using art the debate is still opened in my opinion even if I'm personally not in favor of it but I don't see how those platforms built on user made content (even more of a clear cut than AI) can have a say on this

People are happy to put their content on social networks. Maybe they get some value in return such as sales, exposure, signalling or simple enjoyment.

Many people who aren’t that privacy conscious would however object to lots of companies, big and small, sucking their content into their databases for their own uses, then republishing after it’s passed through a few AI models.

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