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Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by genewitch »

ilyt wrote: post #711
ho_schi wrote: post #569

Netflix: ”You get two parallel streams with your family. Family means trust and password sharing.“ Customers: “Farewell pirating. We pay a fair flat and it is automatically shared between Netflix and artists. Great!“ Netflix: “We increase the flat permanently. And we have now competitors and doesn’t over anymore all relevant content (e.g. Star Trek Picard, Expanse, Disney). How about ruining it and blocking family me…

> I wouldn’t be surprised if artists (filmmakers, musicians…) create a common fair streaming platform. Let us name it “United Artists“ ;) That falls under > And we have now competitors and doesn’t over anymore all relevant content The core problem is basically owners of IP all wanting to build walled gardens to distribute them (and get all of the cut), instead of just going "pay us X per view, regardless of who you a…

Verizon, who are well known for being affordable, honest, and "with the times", has announced they're going to bring back "cable" subscriptions - you give verizon a flat rate, and they get you all of the streaming services, presumably for less than you'd pay for them individually.

Yes, the first part is obvious facetiousness.

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Post by elliekelly »

bioemerl wrote: post #698
elliekelly wrote: post #693

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Amazon survived just fine without being profitable for something like two decades.

I feel like we would all have been better off if Amazon had not been allowed to do this.

I absolutely agree.

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Post by nomel »

otherme123 wrote: post #644
WheatMillington wrote: post #628

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It's also based on surveys. People are so salty right now I have no doubt a lot of users responded with more passion than honesty to the surveys.

Spanish here: we had shared accounts for every platform in our workplace. HBO, Disney, Netflix, Movistar, Filmin... As soon at Netflix started the threats, we talked about keep it and try login through a proxy or getting it out of our pooled accounts. Each of us was only following one Netflix show, two at most, so we got rid of it. Not salty, it just doesn't make sense anymore if you already have four or more platfor…

Wait, so everyone at work was using the same account? You're making this sound like a rational move, from Netflix.

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Post by nomel »

Juicyy wrote: post #295
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #259

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They know who all the password sharers are. They've spent months, or even years running models to predict the fallout if they cut off password sharing. None of the actual results are going to be in any way surprising to them. So while people here think they're doing this to their own detriment, their legion of scientists have already told them the end result which is obviously not detrimental or they wouldn't be doin…

They can run all the models in the world but it only takes one misunderstood factor to underestimate the fallout. I think they want the other streaming services to follow suit (like Apple with the AUX) but if the others dont bite, Netflix screwed themselves. Most of their users feel betrayed at a time where competition is more than ever. You dont have to be smart to understand its not a good move.

> You dont have to be smart to understand its not a good move.

You can't make reasonable conclusions during transients. Wait until things have settled before judging if the move was smart or not.

When they tried this in other countries, they saw a dip and then growth. According to their statements, a dip is part of their model.

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Post by monetus »

jjulius wrote: post #567
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> the benefit of watching it with your favorite player wherever you want to, not with the crap player they offer under scenarios they dictate This is the part I don't get. Why do you feel you have this right? FYIW, HBO Max allows you to download episodes for offline viewing, so it's not exactly true they are dictating the scenarios. I watch HBO all the time on plane rides.

You seem to have missed the key line: >I actually “pirate” some of stuff I pay for. So, if someone pays for HBO Max and watches the latest episode of Barry at home via the app, but, as I do, feel that HBO's UI/UX is dogshit, and they then download a copy of it and slap it on their phone or laptop in a way that's more comfortable to them for their flight tomorrow, what's the difference? OP continues to pay HBO, but th…

I had a power outage recently, and everything I had downloaded but a children's movie had expired... This feature really got eaten by that policy.

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Post by gnicholas »

narag wrote: post #694
gnicholas wrote: post #416

Losing 1M users is not good, but isn't the real question how many accounts they lost? > The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password, according to Kantar’s research, which is based on surveys of household streaming habits. This makes it seem like they lost 333k customers. I don't know how many customers they have in Spain, but that sounds like a…

Losing 1M users is not good, but isn't the real question how many accounts they lost? There's another question: how's the competition doing? Amazon and Sky Showtime are much better in new subscriptions. HBO is 50% in new subscriptions. The measure is killing mindshare.

That’s somewhat relevant, but you have to keep in mind that nflx has much higher penetration to begin with. Percentages are less insightful when the starting points are far apart.

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Post by pests »

tayo42 wrote: post #743
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It feels the same as back when the music industry thought that those that pirated music would automatically purchase it if the "free" version was removed. They were wrong then and the streaming services are just as wrong now. I think Netflix (and others) are looking at that 10-20 x $18/month and salivating, not realizing that the money just isn't there. They need to take a page from the Microsoft book and let people…

I'm pretty out of the loop. Is pirating still easy? I thought tbp isn't reliable any more, and finding reliable torrent sites is kind of hard now? Younger people aren't really on the computer anymore. Like your not going to be torrenting off ipads and stuff

TBP is now proxy software that anyone can install[0] which talks to a central API[1] for torrent listings. Each provider can tailor the experience and add ads or donation buttons as they desire. You can search for "TPB proxy list"[2] to find a list of TPB sites. I currently use tpb.party which I find the fastest and least intrusive.

[0] https://piratebayproxy.info/setup.html

[1] https://apibay.org It has no public-facing site, probably to keep it off the radar.

[2] https://piratebayproxy.info/ is what I use.

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Post by genewitch »

dmonitor wrote: post #656
autoexec wrote: post #601

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If you want to time gate your episodes with your friends you're still welcome to coordinate that with them. Lots of couples do this too ("Don't watch until we can do it together") but personally, no matter how excited I am for a show, if a streaming platform withholds episodes so that they can better manage social media and stretch out advertising I'll just wait until the whole thing is out before I even start watchi…

> If you want to time gate your episodes with your friends you're still welcome to coordinate that with them Forcing everyone to collectively sit with a single episode per week is fun. Watching all at once makes them all sort of meld together. Having to sit with an episode for a week changes the experience of watching the show. If you can convince your friend group to watch together, that's great, but things like dis…

the last time i did this, it was with House, M.D., and it was with downloaded copies (to ensure correct subtitles, right?). Episode came out whatever day, a group of us would gather the next evening and watch it together. We had a blind person and two deaf people in the group.

The only thing netflix (and possibly others, i wouldn't know) have done to improve that situation is adding descriptive audio service, which brings the usefulness of good subtitles to the audio track, so that blind people can experience more of the show that they can't see.

I'm a bad anecdote for a couple of reasons, though: I haven't had a television connected to coax in any way since 2003, and i haven't liked any new television show created after about 2013 or so - furthermore, i haven't really "loved" any series that began after 2004 or 2005. A supermajority of my media (disc and disk) predates the iphone. A plurality predates America Online.

Since i'm already on an aside, i'll point out a couple of things: First, thanks to the likes of MTV's indefatigable pushing in the late 80s and through the 90s, everyone raised in that era (and after) thinks that in order to be engaging, you must change cameras every 3 seconds. Bonus points if there's no story reason to do so. Secondly, or if you prefer, as an ancillary to the first point, the constant viewpoint shifts can aggravate certain conditions; for example, new shows tend to tire me out, and a "binge" for whatever reason tends to leave me with a headache that lasts a couple of days. Third, a plurality (and majority, up to ~75%) of all television shows produced in the US are either directly or indirectly Law Enforcement related, and i'm sure a rigorous study would bear out that has a detrimental effect on both public policy and the zeitgeist feelings of law enforcement and related groups.

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Post by genewitch »

watwut wrote: post #658
afavour wrote: post #618

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It's definitely a thing. I remember when Lost first aired I had lengthy discussions every week with friends, I even logged into Lostpedia to browse, exchange theories etc. By comparison, the first Netflix show I remember really watching was House of Cards. Tried to have conversations with friends about it but inevitably you'd start with "oh, what episode are you on? Is that the one with the...? So you haven't seen...…

On the other hand, watching episode a week sux. By the end of a season, you don't remember what happened 3 months ago. The series got much better writing over time - but the consequence is that I actually want to see it as a whole instead of little by little with mandatory breaks.

and for you we have the likes of Naruto, which is 30-60% flashbacks to the prior episodes.
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