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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by mcguire »

P_I_Staker wrote: post #567
virgildotcodes wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The linked article specifically shows that violent crime in SF is at an all time low, and lower than most other comparably sized cities.

Didn't SF used to be freaking scary prior to blowing up? I've heard people talk about it like they do Miami, Baltimore, Detroit, ect. An undesirable place that washed up people ended up, riddled with crime and violence. I think I might be getting the story wrong, but I recall hearing there used to be much more crime.

SF's population declined between 1950 and 1980, and it's homicide rate between roughly 1970 and the mid-1990s was up to 2 or 3 times what it is now.

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Post by tinglymintyfrsh »

Jackpillar wrote: post #704
zenkat wrote: post #590

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I've lived in SF for almost 30 years. I agree 100%. Sure, there's a lot more sad/ugly homelessness in the post-covid era. The shantytowns out by Candlestick are depressing. The Tenderloin continues to be a mess. But do I feel less safe? Absolutely not! The neighborhoods (where most people live) are just fine. I regularly walk home from the bars at midnight without a care. It's simply not a problem. Compare back to th…

Beautifully put. I've noticed a lot of the barometer (if you will) for gauging peoples "feelings" of safety is if you're personally scared and/or uncomfortable with just the existence of homeless people. I live DTLA - 4 blocks off skid row - and I've never felt unsafe. Uncomfortable? Sure sometimes. Disheartened by the state of one of the richest cities in the world? Absolutely. But unsafe? never. But if you equate h…

Unsafe was 80's-90's Compton crack gang wars with machine gun drive-bys.

Unsafe is the current Baltimore or south side of Chicago.

The Tenderloin isn't anything remotely like that. Sure there are dealers on the street and people hawking stolen goods at the bus stops, but there doesn't seem to be violent unsafety.

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Post by shuckles »

jeffbee wrote: post #484
j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

Mission Local is great. We are blessed with a wealth of local journalism like Mission Local, Cityside, even SF Standard if I hold my nose about the fact that it is controlled by a reactionary political movement. It is why I never understood the whining about "support your local newspaper". There's no chance of me ever subscribing to the Chronicle. I donate to these other, better news outlets instead.

SF Standard has some of the city’s best journalists on staff, and you’d be hard pressed to identify how Moritz is influencing their coverage decisions.

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Post by soundsabout »

tedivm wrote: post #731
misssocrates wrote: post #718

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What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction?

Funny how questions like this were completely ignored in the previous conversation where people were shitting on the homeless, but suddenly are important now that the homeless aren't the target anymore.

The cognitive dissonance here is becoming farcical quickly. Careful, people really don't like it when you point it out!

I was really hoping the grandparent was being tongue-in-cheek but, the lie-to-myself kind of hope.

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Post by asdfman123 »

j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

If you like this article, think about subscribing to them.

Lots of little papers like this seem healthy and then unceremoniously go out of business because they don't make enough money in ad revenue to pay their journalists like 45k/yr. That's not a typo: that's how much Bay Area reporters make.

Support local journalism!

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Post by azinman2 »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #432
azinman2 wrote: post #204

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Shithole city is a bit extreme, don’t you think? I’d reserve that for very, very different places in the world.

There are plenty of so-called shithole countries where I'd rather live than SF.

Good news is no one is forcing you to live there.

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Post by thethethethe »

NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #667
Insanity wrote: post #408

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Depends on what your baseline is though. You are perhaps feeling safe because you're used to SF.

Yeah, I agree with this. Visiting SF from other American cities that have nothing like the scale of its problems...is jarring. I'm sure you can get used to it. Also, we should differentiate between the feeling of comfort / safety (which is what most people care about), and actual crime statistics (which are themselves fraught, I don't think people in SF even report car break-ins these days since the police and justic…

People absolutely report car break ins because they want insurance payouts, people just don't expect the police to do anything about it.

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Post by chaps »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #722
chaps wrote: post #318

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You'd be surprised what information is released to the public. I'd be willing to bet that the reporter has access to dispatch logs from over-the-air radio [1] and cross-references that with incident reports at [2] and then does a lookup on [3]. Entirely speculation, but it's not implausible. [1] https://somafm.com/scanner/ [2] https://data.sfgov.org/Public-Safety/Police-Department-Incid... [3] https://www.sfsheriff.c…

Dispatch radio is encrypted, as is made clear in your own link.

Some, but not all of it as per my own link ;)

Definitely has dispatch audio on: https://somafm.com/player/#/now-playing/scanner

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Post by addisonl »

tinglymintyfrsh wrote: post #753

I recall a sad point to this case captured on surveillance video: As Bob Lee was bleeding out, he went to driver for aid who ignored him and fled the scene. Shouldn't they be arrested and charged for failure to render aid? Perhaps he would've had a chance if he had arrived at a trauma ER but it's now an unknowable.

Not a legal requirement in this country.

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Post by asdfman123 »

dmode wrote: post #323

Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

Maybe if you live there.

I'm very comfortable with cities, but as a visitor to SF seeing someone break into a vehicle on a busy street, 8 pm on a Saturday night is pretty bad.

That sort of crime matters too.

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