Substack Notes Launched • Hacker News Board

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by naravara » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 1:44 PM UTC

least wrote: post #740

Pxtl wrote: post #344

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In the artistic/creative space, a crapload of the best artists on twitter are trans. Musk is a loud and proud transphobe, and has implemented his politics into Twitter's moderation. You don't have to be LGBTQ to see how important trans people are to Twitter's health. Many are still there because business is business, but many trans people and their allies have left because the new owner seems to hate them on a deeply…

> W00t deep negatives for affirming that trans people exist and for stating the obvious that Musk hates them. People aren't downvoting your post for trans affirmation or that Elon doesn't like trans people. They're downvoting it because you are inflating the value of the trans population on Twitter as integral to Twitter itself. I would not be surprised if there is a higher percentage of trans people using Twitter re…

I'd say it's probably more of a canary effect. They'll just be the first ones targeted by the type of general obnoxiousness that Musk's moderation pivot fosters. Everyone else will be put off by it too, albeit less severely, and there will be a bit of a positive feedback loop if the value of the platform (stuff from people you follow) is progressively diminished as people you follow leave because people they followed left because. . .

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by jodrellblank » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 1:47 PM UTC

v0idzer0 wrote: post #744

jodrellblank wrote: post #723

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> " That sounds like one of the least interesting things I could do with $44bn. " You could fund The Manhattan Project ($21Bn). And the Panama Canal ($13Bn). And the Concorde project ($2.5Bn). And the Hoover Dam ($0.8Bn). And an Eiffel Tower, a Statue of Liberty, and a statue of Christ the Redeemer. ($100s of M) Buy yourself a B52 Stealth Bomber (~$2Bn). And a Hindenburg ($100M), and a Titanic ($400M). And still have…

Except you couldn’t really do most of that without government support and approval

Rather missing the point that any of those are more interesting than "a thousand Twitter clones". But even on that point, Musk managed to do a lot with SpaceX and Tesla supercharger network which need various government support and approvals.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by cactusplant7374 » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:27 PM UTC

mlindner wrote: post #669

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #659

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He found out Twitter would need to pay him 100M. That is a big incentive to backpedal.

There's no evidence to support that statement. Given he continues to talk with the man at times (he replied to one of his tweets the a few days ago) and there's no evidence to support the idea that he did it for monetary reasons, other explanations are much more reasonable. Namely that it was a simple mistake.

He was certainly fine making accusations in public about this person. When he found out he was given misinformation why didn't he name the person and fire them? Why did he air it out in public in the first place? The whole saga is criminally ignorant and Musk is to blame.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by datpiff » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 3:10 PM UTC

TechBro8615 wrote: post #600

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Chrome launched with an absurd amount of money to burn, though. And... I don't recall this "everyone" that you are citing. Chrome launched when Google had a ton of good will.

> Chrome launched with an absurd amount of money to burn OpenAI has $100bn+ from Microsoft, and millions of paying subscribers.

$100bn+?

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/08/microsofts-complex-bet-on-op...

"Microsoft’s $13 billion bet on OpenAI carries huge potential along with plenty of uncertainty"

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by gordian-mind » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 3:15 PM UTC

wpietri wrote: post #705

gordian-mind wrote: post #652

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> You have to pick between the Nazis or the people they like to harass. Nice rhetoric, but no you still do not get to censor people. > The US consumer economy is diverse enough that businesses can no longer focus exclusively on the (shrinking) white audience On your "woke", "humane", "inclusive spaces", I hope that celebrating the "shrinking" of the black population of any country on Earth would put you in the catego…

That isn't rhetoric. It's an inescapable fact of running a platform. You have to choose. If you choose the maximalist free speech position, you get the Nazis. You lose the speech of the people they harass, because a lot of them will either leave or stay and shut up. So the maximalist no-moderation position also ends up with a lot of speech suppressed. Plus, as a business reality, a platform that is smaller and with m…

Twitter has ample restrictions on harassing people. You are talking about censoring views, not harassment/insults. You core argument, that anyone is taking a "maximalist free speech" allowing people to harass others, is a lie.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by wpietri » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 4:06 PM UTC

brigandish wrote: post #752

wpietri wrote: post #750

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She didn't just panic on TV. She failed to define it in the book, too. If that's panic, I guess she panicked for 18 months given she "spent a year and a half researching, writing, and editing"? Sounds exhausting. And here, in the article defending herself, she had plenty of time for one-sided boo-hooing and why-is-the-mean-liberal-hurting-my-children nonsense, but I don't see her defining it there either. (I guess sh…

> Something I note you conspicuously failed to do here, despite how you totally saw it defined by your Canadian girlfriend. What are you babbling about?

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Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by laratiede » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 5:01 PM UTC

v0idzer0 wrote: post #724

m_ke wrote: post #58

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They raised a ton of money on a high valuation, spent 25mil to make 1 mil last year and are now scrambling to raise a new crowd sourced round because they don't want to get wiped out in a down round. This notes thing looks like an attempt to pivot to an advertising based business model and I'm guessing they think they have "influencers" on their platform to bring in a decent audience.

It still blows my mind they can’t run this tiny operation profitably taking 10% of many multimillion dollar writers’ revenue. Is it a requirement that YC companies raise way too much money and then proceed to torch it any way possible?

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Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by Night_Thastus » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 5:09 PM UTC

7h3rAm wrote: post #38

Social network must be a protocol, not a platform. That's the only way to gurantee free speech and cencorship resistance. Nostr[1] is proving to be a good first step in this direction. [1] https://nostr.how/

Every time I have seen any form of social media/platform/forum/whatever put "free speech" and anti-censorship as their primary goals, it always ends the same way - hate speech, antisemitism, racism, sexism, etc.

Whether by design or because such sites just attract those kind of individuals, that's not good for a couple of key reasons:

1: Those kinds of interactions turn away many potential users

2: It makes advertising basically impossible (No potential advertiser wants to be associated with that kind of site)

There's a good reason that as sites like Reddit got larger, they started to clamp down on less desirable content.

And any form of social media with no advertising is always going to be very tiny and niche, and in general likely to die out quickly.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by laratiede » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

lenkite wrote: post #326

andy_ppp wrote: post #318

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Sounds great but you’ll have to provide some logic because I don’t automatically follow your extremely confident opinion…

People here are praying very hard for Twitter to fail. Nearly any social media post nowadays has 50-100 comments predicting Twitter's failure and ranting about Musk. He is living rent-free in many heads now. Its utterly ludicrous how so many intelligent and rational people are becoming un-hinged whenever Twitter/Musk is mentioned.

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Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by sleepybrett » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:12 PM UTC

jdminhbg wrote: post #579

sleepybrett wrote: post #405

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In my communities most people are double posting on mastodon and twitter. So much so that I only check twitter every few days for the stragglers.

Mastodon only has about 1.2M active users, so if most of your community is on there, it’s an unusual community. https://mastodon-analytics.com/

I mean sure, my mom doesn't have a masto account, she does have a twitter account.

It's down to posters vs reply guys vs rubberneckers. If those 1.2M active users are posters and higher quality reply guys, great.