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Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by bloopernova »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

How do you feel about his "anti-woke" behaviour? His banning of journalists? His tweets with nazi coded language like "88"?

Would you return to a site where the owner uses his considerable power/money to promote fascism?

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by concordDance »

speakfreely wrote: post #591
amelius wrote: post #579

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However, it seemed that Elon's mind was more with manipulating Bitcoin rates, and then buying and changing Twitter the last few years. Tesla and SpaceX must be run by other people, which investors and Elon conveniently keep out of the picture.

Elon is certainly laser-focused on self-promotion, no doubt. I suspect most of the value he will deliver at those companies is in the past, but that doesn't detract from it.

> Elon is certainly laser-focused on self-promotion, no doubt.

Strongly doubt. But we will have to wait until he's no longer relevant before we get a good view of this man's inner workings.

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Post by InsOp »

space_fountain wrote: post #555
pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

I think villains don't exist in the real world. There are no Voldemort with no discernible reason for doing bad things, but Elon has been doing a lot of bad things lately and is inching into the realm that seems worth calling a villain to me

can you elaborate on what bad or evil things he is doing?

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Post by cmatthias »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

> I still think Elon is a smart guy.

> Plus I don't think he realizes that the techniques that work for cars and rockets don't work in social media.

Given his behavior and the results over the last ~month or however long he's owned Twitter, how can both of these possibly be true?

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Post by ssnistfajen »

roland35 wrote: post #500
pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

I'm sorry but saying "he is a smart guy" is a bit ridiculous at this point. A "smart guy" certainly may not know everything about running a social network, but he _would_ listen to the advice from those around them. Being smart also means understanding what you don't know and not surround yourself with sycophants.

Power and fame are intoxicating, moreso than any known chemical drug compound. Elon just didn't have the means to express this version of himself before his companies took off.

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Post by noncoml »

jacquesm wrote: post #717
noncoml wrote: post #703

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pg calling him a smart guy is quite disappointing. The guy is happy to consume and repeat QAnon propaganda(E.g. Pelosi’s husband). Is happy to lie(journalists who didn’t fix him got banned). Takes emotional decisions to only reverse them hours later. Lacks any logical thinking, keeps gaslighting and cannot keep a consistent line(he is a free speech absolutist who believes hate speech and call to insurrection is ok bu…

It's a pretty technical argument but being an asshole does not necessarily mean you aren't smart.

I think my arguments above demonstrate that he is not as smart as people portray him.

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Post by asabjorn »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #688
Eji1700 wrote: post #622

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Let’s not forget calling a man a pedo in a public tantrum AB and advocating for prosecuting Fauci among a litany of terrible anti worker positions. Assholes can do good things. I just don’t get why we can’t call them assholes

FWIW, he has called two people paedophiles, an ex twitter employ, and a diver. The ex employee left his home as he received death threats. By all means, I am holding Elon responsible for this. Here is the reasoning: 1. Either he is too stupid to understand the power he yields, and therefore should not yield it, or 2. He knows and does not care about anyone other than Elon, or 3. He knows and did it on purpose. Hanlon…

The former Twitter head of trust and safety Elon called pedo in his PhD thesis argued grindr should accommodate underage queer youth on their platform.

Arguably, that’s creepy. Also, he did not act upon child porn on Twitter while as the Twitter files show he was perfectly capable of acting upon legal speech.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by Marazan »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #744
jacquesm wrote: post #729

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely not just you, I see the same thing.

I feel terrible for Paul — imagine having a decade of work wiped out overnight. Hopefully it’s not permanent.

If I had as many bad tweets as Paul I would take this for the blessing that it is.
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