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You’re missing the distinction PP is pointing out, between “layoffs” and “for-cause firings.”
Getting rid of 25% of the company "for cause" is not going to hold up in court. They'll be treated as layoffs. I think Musk just proved this by trying the same thing at Tesla.
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Ah an individual data point, the crème de la crème of evidence.
I have not heard of any other developers needing to furnish references either. Just ask on HN or Reddit or Twitter, most devs will say they're not needed.
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If some random group of people who don't know me, don't know my labor or my legacy at an organization, don't know my technical abilities, etc. fired me based off the quantity (and subjective quality) of code I produced in the last 60 days, even with 10 minutes to defend myself, I would be spitting mad at the disrespect and dehumanization. Particularly if I know I was being fired days before a stock refresh. No, this…
That's fine. Elon doesn't want you to work for him. There are people who build multiple successful companies and then there are who prioritize well-being and pick some weird hill to die on.
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exists in most northern and western european companies aswell.. Unions in europe also seem far less militant than those in the US.
> Unions in europe also seem far less militant That's because unions are an integral part of the way many of the countries socio-political systems work. In Norway, for instance, the trades unions and the employers get together once a year to hammer out what is called tarriflønn, essentially the going rate for each broad type of job. The state provides a referee for the meetings whose job is to keep them on track and…
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It's just a nitpick and it doesn't impact GP's point all that much, but: surely employees in the US have some sort of job loss insurance - if not standalone, then attached to a mortgage or life insurance?
It's usually unemployment insurance and it's provided by the state (literally, it'll be the state the employee resides in - here's California's: https://edd.ca.gov ). There ARE "insurance" products that will "defer your credit/mortgage payments in case of a job loss" - they are almost all universally some form of scam (or at least a very bad "insurance").
I suppose the ultimate protection a person has is savings, and it's likely more cost-effective than any form of insurance - except it's hard in practice for most people, partly because they barely have any disposable income, and partly because it requires the degree of self-control many (if not most) don't have (and the overall culture isn't encouraging it).
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2nd link on Kagi search (first one says the same things): 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/states-where-teachers-unions...
Outlawing collective bargaining might make unions less effective, but it doesn’t make unions illegal.
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I'd like to open up this question again after some decades. I don't think it will play out as you might think. Innovation hubs move. Historically, this has always been true. Right now those are SV and NY. It won't remain so.
Silicon Valley, New York, and arguably Texas have been the hubs of computing innovation as long as there has been a commercial computer industry. Other tech hubs have sprung up, but we're looking at forty years of unceasing domination here. Innovation hubs move when new industries arise.
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He might if he wants their options not to vest. [Edit: Or to have to pay their golden parachute.]
I wonder if even Musk would be so publicly ruthless as that? I wonder how many his employees in Tesla/SpaceX/where ever are currently incentivised by stock options, who’d watch their boss doing that to Twitter people and wonder why they bother working evenings and weekends, if the options can be yanked as cruelly as that?
Also, because of being outmaneuvered, he may be seeking any chance to stick his finger in the eye of the people who did it. That the logical consequences will be that his finger gets cut off... well, as I said, I'm not sold on his foresight at the moment.
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It's not a good idea to conflate layoffs of the rank-and-file with the 3 execs that were fired "for cause". At the exec level, it's a whole different ballgame. All of these execs are multi, multi millionaires. I'd honestly be pretty shocked if they don't sue, and at least from what I know now I'd be shocked if they don't win. In exec contracts with golden parachutes, "for cause" clauses are almost always very specifi…
I would fire the key execs also, if it appears they conspired to hide evidence from the court, frustrate discovery, and used fraudulent metrics. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1586885887341645824 I have a hard time believing there was not complicity between the 3 key execs, and Yoel Roth, according to that image.