It's like the school bully buying a megaphone when he gets banned from the classroom.
Sometimes I wonder if people who post things like this have ever actually been to school.
It's called an analogy, I don't think a lot of kids buy megaphones yknow?
Kanye West is buying Parler
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I don't like how "I'm a free speech absolutist" has become "I want to force you to read my toxic rants, even when you try to get away from me." You yourself say 4chan is "barely bearable." What free speech has meant historically is "I don't believe the government should be able to criminalize certain kinds of speech." It never meant "I am entitled to insert garbage into someone else's newspaper or book" until people…
That is what the block button is for. Most people who are in favor of free speech, are perfectly fine with you personally clicking the block button. Instead, what they don't want, is a centralized platform preventing consenting parties from engaging with each other. See the difference?
What exactly is the difference, again? A block button is prone to breaking thru numerical power. If enough people are responding to you and or harassing you there is no manageable way to block all of them, especially without first passively engaging with their posts in the first place.
So instead people build addons and blocklists to manage all of that for them. Now you have a separate centralized platform for dealing with a certain subset of users.
And if that doesn't work or if they don't want to put in that effort they just leave the platform instead. They go to somewhere else where the social agreement with the platform is to automatically filter out or remove those users. Hence why few people actually use the free speech platforms like Gab, Parker etc.
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#763Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…
Absolute free speech and anonymity is a toxic combination. Free speech in the way it was envisaged in the constitution presumes there is a feedback loop back to the emitter of the speech. Anonymity breaks that feedback loop. Anyone who tells you that free speech without consequences has ever existed pretty much anywhere is lying to themselves and to you. If you want anonymity you need some measure of bounds on speech…
"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."
- contemporary philosopher
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The idea that it's important to have a mainstream and consequence-free venue for all forms of speech may be your belief but it is not mine. My belief is that public forums with reach into the tens or hundreds of millions are fertile ground for nationalist and genocidal movements, and they will be used for that purpose if it is not actively prevented . Moderation of wide-reach public forums with the goal of preventing…
> the idea that the only correct stance is yours and all moral, rational people will converge on it is ridiculous. I never said that. Conversations exist to be had, good ideas should be promoted and bad ideas disproven and cast aside. Ideas should be considered and judged on their merits, even ones I don't agree with. There's certainly no requirement for any individual to engage. Despite calling me out, there's irony…
> I still don't want their existence in the public sphere to limit my expression. They're not that important and we shouldn't make them out to be.
See this is the key thing and a conflict I pretty much expect and accept. I think they are important, on the metric of their body count over the last century. I'm willing to accept some limitations to public speech, both mine and yours, to reduce their power and risk in the future.
You don't accept that tradeoff, which I find a consistent and reasonable position that I also oppose. But your first comment did imply that it was the only valid position for reasonable people to have ("better stewards of their beliefs"). You may not have intended that meaning but it's the one I read.
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#765I spent a fruitless few minutes trying to find out about the company 'Ye' before realising this is a person.
I feel old and confused.
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Even if he’s known to be mentally ill, his ideas can still stand. Take Ted Kaczynski for example. His actions were inexcusable but his ideas and writings on technology and its relationship to society have value.
Do you think Kanye's claims that Hollywood Jews have placed child actors in his home to sexualize his children will stand the test of time and be shown to have value?
Whether or not some or all of Kanye's claims are the most ridiculous things, cherry-picking and presenting one piece of bait and trying to associate everything Kanye has ever said with the same brush feels like a hell of a disingenuous way to argue. You can't just dismiss everything somebody said just because they were very wrong other stuff.
PS: I'm not going to say what's true or false about any of Kanye's claims here, but who the hell knows what goes on in the highest levels of Hollywood? This is a circle of people who felt zero shame publicly disparaging critics of Roman Polanski. And apparently the Harvey Weinstein stuff was common knowledge in Hollywood crowds for decades. If you think Kanye has little credibility, well, think about how Hollywood's credibility ought to be perceived.
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> Personality disorders aren't curable. Incorrect. There is no single cure for personality disorders, but that doesn't mean they can't be cured. Any mental illness that is not genetic and which develops due to external causes can be cured. There are many personality disorders, of which NPD is one. While there is no single cure for NPD, in fact NPD can be cured in many cases in one of two ways. Some can be cured relat…
Personality disorders can be treated and managed, but not cured. Like PTSD, just because a disorder is caused by external factors does not mean that it is reversible.
Magic mushrooms can cure PTSD
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He believes his kids friends are "professional actors" who were placed there to "sexualize" them, that The Gap knew about the Uvalde shooting before it happened, and that Pete Davidson slept with his wife through the mechinations of an international Jewish conspiracy. You're doing the same thing Fox did: quoting the least unhinged things and pretending the most unhinged things didn't get said. And, as I'm sure will h…
Thing is, I need to see the primary source before I can make a judgement. I tried to find the source for the first claim and it seems to be a quote from this Vice article: >Carlson’s program also didn’t air a strange claim from Ye that “fake children” had been placed in his house to manipulate his children. “I mean, like actors, professional actors, placed into my house to sexualize my kids,” he told Carlson. He refe…
> I have no idea what exactly he is trying to say
It's right there in the quote that you pasted. Not sure what context you're missing.
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Could you suggest a recent interview as an example? I’d like to judge myself. I’m of the opinion he’s both someone with good intentions with good points but who makes those points sideways. But also that he’s mentally I’ll so he’s losing the ability to communicate clearly. I also think Candace Owens is an untrustworthy person with only self serving intentions.
Not the person you asked, but here’s an interview that released yesterday. https://youtu.be/-ZmbP5vIbyk
Thanks. I was looking forward to watching that. The comments thread was mostly positive.
It’s gone now. Memory holed.
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> but I can see almost anyone falling into the exact same trap hes fallen into if they lived his life. Kanye is a garden variety manic-depressive. It has likely been exacerbated by stress and self-medicating with the wrong drugs, causing instability, paranoia and delusion. Bipolar disorder is genetic, it doesn't develop due to no one being able to say "no" to them. What you are describing, however, is one way that Na…
This is word salad. A bunch of psycho-babel that gives the impression of a deep understanding of the human psyche when in reality it shows at best the ability to memorize the criteria around a few invented categories and give a horoscope based off of them. I wouldn't make a point of saying this on other topics but it's crazy how much damage this stuff causes to people's lives
Vagueness fallacy as well as as hominem argument. If you disagree with what I've said, you must specifically speak to it. Handwaving and attacking me personally will never be persuasive.